Failure to see the validity of an approximation to DiffEq.

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The discussion revolves around the application of a power series method to solve the Schrödinger Equation for the harmonic oscillator case, specifically focusing on the recursion formula derived from the differential equation. Participants seek to clarify the steps leading to certain approximations made in the solution process.

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  • One participant presents a recursion formula for the coefficients in a power series solution to the Schrödinger Equation and expresses confusion about the approximation leading to the form of the coefficients.
  • Another participant suggests confirming that the proposed approximation is a solution to the recursion equation by substitution.
  • Further clarification is requested regarding the relationship between the coefficients and the function defined by the power series.
  • A participant attempts to demonstrate how the approximation can be derived by manipulating the factorial expressions involved in the recursion relation.

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Participants express confusion and seek clarification on specific steps and relationships, indicating that there is no consensus on the understanding of the approximations and their derivations.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the form of the solution and the behavior of the recursion relation for large values of the index, which may not be fully articulated or agreed upon by all participants.

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The following comes from Griffiths Intro. to QM (2nd Ed) page 53.

We want to solve the Schrödinger Equation for the harmonic oscillator case using a power series method. The details aren't important but you want to solve

##h''(y)-2yh'(y)+(K-1)h=0##

whose recursion formula is

##a_{j+2}=\frac{2j+1-K}{(j+1)(j+2)}a_j##

Griffiths wants to analyze those solutions which aren't normalizable so he considers large values of ##j##. The recursion formula becomes (to large ##j##)

##a_{j+2}=\frac{2}{j}a_j##

Which makes sense, but then he says that this has the approximate solution (from now on is the part where I don't understand)

(1) ##a_{j}\approx \frac{C}{(j/2)!}## where C is a constantconsidering large ##y## we get that

(2) ##h(y) = C \sum \frac{1}{(j/2)!}y^j = C \sum \frac{1}{j!}y^{2j}##So, I consider (1) mysterious and the second equality of (2) ( ##C \sum \frac{1}{j!}y^{2j}##) mysterious as well. Anyone care to help me showing the intermediate left-out steps?

Thanks.
 
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Hi david:

I can help with the first question, but there is something I don't understand regarding your second question.

Regarding
davidbenari said:
So, I consider (1) mysterious

Just confirm that (1) is the solution to the recursion equation
aj+2=2/j aj
by substituting (1) and a modified (1) for j+2 into the above equation.

I hope this is helpful.

Regarding the the second mystery, I don't understand the relationship between the constants aj and the function h(y) of the differential equation.

Regards,
Buzz
 
Buzz:

Buzz Bloom said:
I don't understand the relationship between the constants aj and the function h(y) of the differential equation
I guess I forgot to mention that we're supposing the solution ##h(y)## is of the form ##h(y)=\sum a_j y^j##. I.e. a power series.
Buzz Bloom said:
Just confirm that (1) is the solution to the recursion equation
aj+2=2/j ajby substituting (1) and a modified (1) for j+2 into the above equation.

I'm relatively confused about what you said here. It would be helpful if you could be more explicit. Specifically I'm not sure how this solves the recursion relation.

Thanks!
 
davidbenari said:
I'm relatively confused about what you said here. It would be helpful if you could be more explicit.
Hi david:

aj+2 = (2/j) aj
aj ≈ C/(j/2)!
aj+2 ≈ C/((j+2)/2)!​

Now one needs only to show that
C / ((j+2)/2)! ≈ C (2/j) / (j/2)!​
This can be more easily seen by cancelling the Cs and examining the reciprocals.
((j+2)/2)! ≈ (j/2)! / (2/j) = (j/2)! × (j/2)
((j/2)+1)! = (j/2)! × (1+J/2) ≈ (j/2)! × (j/2)​
Cancelling the (j/2)!s gives
(1+J/2) ≈ (j/2)​
which is a reasonable approximate equality for sufficiently large j.

Regards,
Buzz
 

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