Falling Objects With Different Mass

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of falling objects with different masses, specifically addressing why they hit the ground simultaneously when dropped from the same height. The scope includes theoretical explanations and conceptual clarifications regarding gravitational acceleration and the effects of mass on falling objects.

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  • One participant notes that, ignoring air resistance, all objects accelerate downwards at the same rate, g, due to the relationship between gravitational force and mass.
  • Another participant elaborates on the gravitational force equation, F = GmM/r², and explains how the acceleration remains constant for different masses when dropped from the Earth's surface.
  • A later reply questions the assumption of a uniform gravitational field and discusses the implications of mass on the center of mass and relative acceleration.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the relationship between mass, force, and acceleration, suggesting that while the force increases with mass, it does not affect the acceleration of the falling objects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of mass on acceleration and the nature of gravitational force. There is no consensus on the nuances of how mass affects the dynamics of falling objects, particularly regarding relative acceleration and the frame of reference.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in the assumptions made about the uniformity of the gravitational field and the simplifications involved in the discussion of gravitational force and acceleration.

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I've heard and read many times about Galileo and his standing up in the Leaning Tower of Piza. How he dropped two objects of different mass and proving that the two objects hit the floor at the same time if released at the same time.

What I never understood ... was WHY this happened. What causes the two objects to hit the floor at the same moment.

Thanks in advance.
 
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This is because, ignoring air resistance, all objects accelerate downwards with the same acceleration, g. While the gravitational force acting on a more massive object is greater than that acting on a less massive object, the more massive object still accelerates downwards at the same acceleration as the less massive object due to the more massive object possessing a larger inertial mass.

To simplify issues, we approximate the Earth's gravitational field to be uniform such that the value of g remains constant. The gravitational force acting on a body of mass m on Earth is then F_{g} = mg. From the simplified version of Newton's Second Law, we have F = ma. Combining, we see that the acceleration a of the body is simply g - independent of its mass.
 
Oh yeah .. that makes sense.

Thanks. :)
 
Saying that "we approximate the Earth's gravitational field to be uniform such that the value of g remains constant" may appear to be begging the question.

In more detail, The gravitational force between two bodies is F= GmM/r^2 where G is a universal constant, m and M are the masses of the two bodies and r is the distance between their centers. Take the Earth to be one body and the object to be dropped to be the other. The radii of two different objects are so small compared to the radius of Earth that "r" can be taken as a constant for any object dropped at the surface of the earth. As Fightfish said, the second law is F= ma so for any object we have GmM/r^2= ma and can cancel the two "m"s: a= GM/r^2 for any object dropped at the surface of the earth.

Since two objects always have the same acceleration and start with speed 0 ("dropped" not "thrown down"), the always have the same speed at any time and so always drop the same distance in the same time.
 
The problem I had in understanding the universality of free fall was this: If increasing the mass of the falling object also increases the force, then why is there no effect on acceleration? The truth of the matter is that the relative acceleration does increase. In other words, the time that it will take for the two objects to meet will decrease. However, the universality of free fall does not refer to relative acceleration because the relative acceleration is a non-inertial frame of reference. The frame of reference for the universality of free fall is the center of mass. So if you increase the mass of the falling object you are also shifting the center of mass closer to the falling object. This has the effect of keeping it's acceleration (relative to the center of mass) the same, even though the relative acceleration has increased. So a=GM/r^2 and a_{rel}=G(M+m)/r^2.
 

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