Falsifying LQG: Experiments & Examples Beyond Lorentz's Symmetry

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The discussion revolves around the status of Loop Quantum Gravity (LQG) in light of experimental evidence and its comparison to string theory. Participants explore claims of falsification of LQG, the implications of Lorentz symmetry, and the development of theoretical predictions within LQG and string theory.

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  • One participant questions the claim that LQG has been falsified, specifically asking for examples of experiments that support this assertion.
  • Another participant suggests that current observations are consistent with curved spacetime, but it remains unclear if LQG predicts such a condition.
  • Concerns are raised about the motivations behind claims of falsification, suggesting that emotional biases may influence some participants' views on LQG and string theory.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the development of LQG, indicating that its predictions may not be well-defined.
  • There is a suggestion that if LQG is considered falsified, then other theories like LambdaCDM, Supersymmetry, and String Theory would also face similar scrutiny.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the status of LQG, with some asserting it has not been falsified while others suggest it has been. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the validity of LQG and its theoretical development.

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Participants note that the understanding of LQG and its predictions may be limited, and there is a lack of consensus on the implications of current experimental evidence.

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Hello,

I came across this thread about LGQ and string theory ; in the 3rd response Lubos Molt says that LQG has been falsified by several experiments but does not give examples (apart from the no-violation of Lorentz's symmetry)
Because the Fermi satellite has showed that there is no Lorentz violation at the Planck scale, LQG was falsified. (It was falsified in many other ways, too.)

My question is simply : do you have examples of such experiments ?

Thanks.
 
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Paul159 said:
Lubos Molt says that LQG has been falsified by several experiments but does not give examples
Lubos has emotional issues with LQG because it threatens his belief that string theory is the only game in town. He's smart and knows a lot, but often this is mixed with his emotional non-rational judgments.
 
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Thanks atyy.

Lubos has emotional issues with LQG because it threatens his belief that string theory is the only game in town. He's smart and knows a lot, but often this is mixed with his emotional non-rational judgments.

Uhmmmm ok. So what he says in his message is wrong? LQG is not falsified ?

Looking at atyy's pdf I have the impression that the theory is so poorly developed that we don't even know what its predictions are.
 
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Paul159 said:
LQG is not falsified ?
Right, LQG is not falsified.

Paul159 said:
Looking at atyy's pdf I have the impression that the theory is so poorly developed that we don't even know what its predictions are.
To some extent that's true, but the same can be said for string theory as well.
 
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LQG isn't perfectly worked out. But any neutral scientific standard that considers LQG to be falsified has dumped LambdaCDM in the waste bin of history long ago, and has Supersymmetry and String Theory walking the plank for imminent execution.
 

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