Faraday's Dynamo & kinetic energy

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The problem involves a Faraday Dynamo used as a braking mechanism, where a circular disk with mass and initial angular velocity is analyzed to determine the time taken for its kinetic energy to halve. The discussion centers around the relationship between kinetic energy and electrical power produced during the braking process.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the integration of work done against the change in kinetic energy and discuss the relationship between kinetic energy and electrical power, questioning how to express these relationships mathematically.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided insights into the relationship between the rate of change of kinetic energy and electrical power, with some suggesting the need to express angular velocity in terms of kinetic energy. There is ongoing exploration of the mathematical expressions involved, with some participants noting discrepancies in their results.

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There is a focus on the instantaneous rate of change of kinetic energy, and participants are considering the implications of varying angular velocity over time. The discussion also highlights the need to clarify assumptions about the moment of inertia for the disk.

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Homework Statement


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A Faraday Dynamo is used as a brake. The brushes are connected with an external resistance R_\Omega. The circular disk has mass m, and angular velocity \omega_0 when t = 0.

a) How long does it take until the kinetic energy of the disk is halved?

Homework Equations



emf =\frac{B R^2 \omega}{2}
dW=P dt
P=\frac{(emf)^2}{R_\Omega}

The Attempt at a Solution


I have no idea how to figure this problem out.
I've tried integrating dW from \frac{1}{2}m \omega^2_0 R^2 to \frac{1}{4}m \omega^2_0 R^2 setting that equal to the integral from t=0 to t of P dt (where I substitute P for the emf)

Looking at the answer, t=\frac{m R_\Omega ln(2)}{B^2 R^2}, I figured I need to integrate over \frac{1}{x}, in order to get the ln(2), but I've got no clue how to find that x. Any help much appriciated.
 
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Using energy ideas, how is the rate of decrease of the KE of the disk related to the electrical power produced?
 
TSny said:
Using energy ideas, how is the rate of decrease of the KE of the disk related to the electrical power produced?

Sorry, I don't quite know what you mean. The KE and the electrical power produced is linked via the angular velocity with the formula: W=\frac{(\frac{B R^2 \omega}{2})^2}{R_\Omega}t=\Delta KE
 
6c 6f 76 65 said:
Sorry, I don't quite know what you mean. The KE and the electrical power produced is linked via the angular velocity with the formula: W=\frac{(\frac{B R^2 \omega}{2})^2}{R_\Omega}t=\Delta KE

Note that ##\omega## decreases with time. So, the electrical power is not going to be constant. That means the link between electrical power P and KE must be written in terms of an instantaneous rate of change of KE (with care given to signs).
 
\frac{dKE}{dt}=-\frac{(\frac{B R^2 \omega}{2})^2}{R_\Omega}
 
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6c 6f 76 65 said:
\frac{dKE}{dt}=-\frac{(\frac{B R^2 \omega}{2})^2}{R_\Omega}

Good. What if you express ##\omega^2## on the right side in terms of KE and moment of inertia ##\small I##? If you let K stand for KE, can you express the equation as follows? $$\frac{dK}{dt} = -b K$$
Here ##b## is a collection of constants.
 
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Thank you so much! Here's what I got:

\frac{dK}{dt}=-\frac{B^2 R^4 \omega^2}{4 R_\Omega}=-\frac{B^2 R^2}{2 m R_\Omega}K, used that K=\frac{1}{2}m \omega^2 R^2
Solution for diff. equation: K=K_0 e^{-\frac{B^2 R^2}{2 m R_\Omega}t}
\frac{1}{2}=\frac{K}{K_0}=e^{-\frac{B^2 R^2}{2 m R_\Omega}t}
ln(\frac{1}{2})=-ln(2)=-\frac{B^2 R^2}{2 m R_\Omega}t
t=\frac{2 m R_\Omega ln(2)}{B^2 R^2}

But it's not quite right, there's a 2 here
 
6c 6f 76 65 said:
used that K=\frac{1}{2}m \omega^2 R^2

Check this. ##K = \frac{1}{2}I\omega^2##. What is ##I## for a solid disk?
 
I=\frac{1}{2}m R^2, thank you so much!
 

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