Favorite songs (cont.)

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The discussion revolves around participants sharing their favorite songs across various genres and styles, reflecting on musical experiences, songwriting, and personal connections to music. The scope includes personal anecdotes, song recommendations, and reflections on musical trends and eras.

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  • One participant highlights the classic song "Tom Sawyer" by Rush, noting its impressive instrumentation.
  • Another participant praises Bob Dylan's songwriting, suggesting that "The Chimes of Freedom" or "Mr. Tambourine Man" could be considered perfect songs.
  • Discussion includes a comparison of Rush's sound to that of Oasis, with one participant suggesting Oasis may have drawn inspiration from them.
  • A participant reminisces about the musical landscape of 1976, indicating it was a memorable year for them.
  • Another shares experiences from playing music in the 1970s, mentioning popular artists and songs from that time.
  • One participant discusses the complexity of the song "Black Rock Shooter," noting its chord structure and the use of a computer-generated vocalist, Hatsune Miku.
  • There are mentions of Joni Mitchell's home-recorded demos being superior to her studio recordings, with personal anecdotes about her life.
  • Another participant expresses admiration for R.E.M. and shares links to interviews about their songwriting process.
  • Discussion touches on the evolution of pop music and the impact of visual aesthetics on the industry.
  • One participant reflects on a choice made in 1967 between two albums, sharing insights about Moby Grape and its historical context.

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The discussion features a variety of personal opinions and experiences regarding music, with no clear consensus on specific songs or artists. Participants express differing views on songwriting, musical eras, and the impact of technology on music.

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Some participants reference specific years and personal experiences that may not be universally relatable, and there are varying opinions on the quality and impact of different musical styles and artists.

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  • #241
Astronuc said:
Is the objection to the music or the process (AI) by which the music is produced?
Aesthetically, I don't like it as music. If a human band and singer reproduced it it would mediocre, but there is a coldness here, and combined with the cheesy image just reeks of AI slop
Astronuc said:
I ask, because artists have been using electronics and digital processes for decades.
sure Yes is great, and I like a fair amount of purely electronic music, but the stuff I like is not trying to fool the listener that it is something else

 
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  • #242
Zaciekawiony said:
I think that's very nice translation. The text isn't easy to translate, because some phrases aren't typital in Polish language - probably for better rythm and as a poetic devices. "zatańczymy się w sobie do lata" (literally "we will dance into ourselves until summer") is not grammatical form of this verb, but sounds like a "zakochamy się w sobie" (we will fall in love with each other) and for me this phrase means "zatracimy się w tańcu ze sobą aż do lata" (we will lose ourselves in the dance until summer). Pretty metaphor.

"And the glow... Has swelled with the need to break the silence" - it is too literall translate. First, basal meaning of word "nabrzmiały" is "swollen", but second mean is parallel "it is full of something" or "it is tense because of...". Better translation:
"And the glow that illuminates my hands as I write
Has full of the need to break the silence"
And off course, the glow is metaphor of poet's inspiration/afflation

"dziobi się w dziobów końcach a w ogonach ogoni" - in this context "dziobić" and "ogonić" are neologisms, verbs created on the basis words "beak" (of bird) and "tails". For me it is poetic image "my inspiration filled crows from beaks to tails".

LLM are getting better at translation and are beginning to understand certain types of neologisms and metaphors, and are also beginning to create their own to convey meaning, but they are still not perfect. Unfortunately, poetry in Polish is often very difficult to translate, especially the more formally classical kind. For this reason, it is difficult to popularize the poems of my favorite poet, Leśmian, (which are also often sung by bands similar to the one above)
Thank you. Yeah, LLMs are not perfect, but at least it got the gist of the song's meaning. Polish does seem complicated. It is cool how Europeans are so good at English, yet some people in the US who have spoken English their entire life are not as good as some foreigners
 

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