Feasibility of hiding a colony within NGC 6543.

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The discussion explores the feasibility of hiding a large, self-sustaining colony within the planetary nebula NGC 6543, also known as the Cat's Eye Nebula. Participants consider various aspects of this scenario, including the challenges of maintaining such a colony in a hostile environment and the strategic advantages of its location.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a massive colony of at least 1,000,000 people could feasibly hide within NGC 6543, emphasizing the need for it to be self-sustaining and unnoticed for thousands of years.
  • Another participant questions the practicality of hiding a large space station in the middle of a planetary nebula, pointing out the challenges posed by hot ionized gas and the distance from more accessible hiding spots.
  • A different viewpoint argues that humanity has advanced far beyond 3,300 light-years and possesses faster-than-light travel, making NGC 6543 a relatively close and unexpected hiding place.
  • One participant proposes that hiding in the Oort cloud of an uninteresting star might be a better strategy than the center of a popular nebula.
  • The original poster defends the choice of NGC 6543, highlighting potential advantages such as the ability to stay informed about the outside world and the difficulty for outsiders to approach closely within the nebula.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the feasibility and strategic advantages of hiding a colony in NGC 6543. There is no consensus on the best approach or the practicality of the scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various assumptions about the technological capabilities of the colony, the nature of the nebula, and the motivations behind choosing such a location for hiding. These assumptions remain unresolved and are subject to interpretation.

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Thousands of years ago mankind conquered the stars... and of course it brought all of its wars along with it. One small, though highly advanced, faction was losing ground fast. Then, suddenly, it disappeared. It turns out that they decided to hide in the planetary nebula of NGC 6543, better known as the Cat's Eye Nebula. Now they are forced to emerge, and strive to secure a place for themselves in the universe.

For this to work, the colony must be:
  1. MASSIVE. It holds a population of at least 1,000,000 and growing. Probably more. Probably much more.
  2. Self-Sustaining. It will have been running for thousands of years.
  3. Hidden. It has not been noticed during this time.
NGC 6543's CSPNe may actually be a binary star. In this book it is.
I would like the colony to be as close to the CSPNe(s) as possible, if not actually within one.

I would like the science to be fairly hard.
Exceptions:
  • limited access to exotic (negative mass-energy) matter (they use Alcuiberre drives).
  • possible access to scrith-like materials if necessary.

So... would this setting be at all feasible? What would be necessary to pull this off?

Thank's in advance for your input.
 
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So you want to have a huge space station circulating in the middle of planetary nebula? 3300 ly away? the middle of hot ionized gas?

Why haven't they instead found any closer and easier place to park their ships? Like a small unhabitable planet or even rogue planet?
 
Humanity has spread much further than 3300 ly by the time they are forced to hide. And they do have ftl travel. So NGC 6543 is actually quite close.
It is the last place any sane person would look, or think to build. They were desparate. They would consider anything. The plan was crazy, but it worked.

Also, the population given in the OP is way too low. That's perhaps the number living on one ship. They have many (at least 10,000) ships. They were a galactic power. They held many stars. They will not fit on a single planet. Even if they did, they would have already been found.
 
Wouldn't it be better to hide in the Oorth cloud of some random uninteresting star rather than in the center of one of the best sight-seeing spots in the galaxy?
 
You might think that... but the idea started as a civ. based there and growing, and I would really like to keep that premise, so... no, it's actually not.

Many of the apparent disadvantages do also have advantageous points, such as:

It's a popular sightseeing spot.

  • You can keep in touch with the outside world, thus staying abreast of the current political situation and technological advancements.
  • You can fairly easily send out spies. Which stands out more, a small, sightseeing vessel appearing among many others on the outskirts of a nebula with the passenger swiftly disappearing into the crowds, or a similarly sized vessel flying in from some uninhabited region of space?
You are in the middle of a nebula.
  • The sightseers aren't actually going to get that close to you. You'd have to be crazy to fly into the middle of a nebula, after all.
  • You can hide your transmissions. Broadcast what you want (within limits), no-one will be able to notice over all the background radiation.
 

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