Feedback on the concepts surrounding pulley, ropes, friction

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of pulleys, ropes, and friction, particularly focusing on the angles involved and the relationships between different forces acting on the system.

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  • Participants are examining the angles related to the forces in the pulley system and questioning how the relationship between different forces (F1 and F2) affects the role of friction. There is a discussion about the implications of varying force magnitudes and the conditions under which friction assists or opposes motion.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing insights and referencing external resources. There is an exploration of different scenarios regarding the forces involved, but no consensus has been reached on the implications of these variations.

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Participants are considering the effects of static friction and the specific conditions under which different forces interact in a capstan arrangement, indicating a need for clarity on definitions and assumptions related to the forces and angles involved.

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Having been working on problems that included weight, ropes, pulley and friction I wanted to make a sort of reminder. But I need to know if and what changes if F2 > F1
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Fx=0
Fy=0
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Revisit the angles for the two first cases.
From first diagram, β<90°.
From second diagram, β>90°.
 
really? Because I thought it goes like this
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if and what changes if F2 > F1
Friction acts to oppose relative motion of the surfaces in contact. It will aid whichever of the two forces is weaker.
In the usual linear arrangement, ##|F_1-F_2|<\mu_sN## for static friction; in these capstan arrangements, ##|\ln(F_1)-\ln(F_2)|<\mu_s\theta##.
(I'm assuming each force is measured with pulling away from the frictional contact as positive.)
 
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