Feeling like I'm working too hard (mentally) for the pay

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the perceived disparity between mental effort and compensation in engineering roles, exploring feelings of dissatisfaction with pay relative to the effort required. Participants reflect on career choices, the nature of corporate compensation structures, and the broader implications of wealth distribution in society.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration over the mental effort required in engineering compared to the compensation received, despite acknowledging competitive pay.
  • Another suggests that individuals in higher positions may have started from similar beginnings and encourages a focus on personal performance.
  • A different viewpoint posits that companies prioritize shareholder wealth over employee compensation, framing this as an expected feature of corporate structure.
  • Some participants advise against comparisons with others, emphasizing the importance of recognizing personal circumstances and stability.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for feeling underpaid, with a reminder that many may be willing to work for less, complicating the job market.
  • One participant reflects on the challenges of competing in a global job market, particularly against lower-paid engineers in other countries.
  • Another participant discusses the potential need to transition from technical roles to management for career advancement and higher pay.
  • Some suggest exploring alternative career paths or entrepreneurship as a means to achieve greater satisfaction and financial reward.
  • Several participants recommend personal development and broadening skill sets to enhance competitiveness in the job market.
  • One participant challenges the notion of entitlement to higher pay based solely on intelligence, advocating for the need to provide greater value to the company.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reveals multiple competing views regarding the fairness of compensation in engineering roles and the nature of corporate structures. There is no consensus on the best approach to address feelings of dissatisfaction or the perceived inequities in pay.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying assumptions about job satisfaction, personal circumstances, and the nature of corporate compensation, which may influence their perspectives. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

  • #61
CrysPhys said:
That's an informative post. You have salary bands based on years of experience. How is the degree (BS, MS, PhD) held by the engineer at time of hiring taken into account?

These are basic salaries and there is a bell curve with the salaries based on years of experience since out of college and then based on merit so a Level 2 engineer can actually make more than what is posted and if they choose to get a higher degree then a higher salary, and stock options are added to the bennies.

"We all do this at some point in our careers." Not necessarily. Career trajectories are not always monotonically increasing, especially for those who undergo industry-wide meltdowns and need to retrench. Fortunately, I prefer Subarus to Porsches.

Agree many of my coworkers were hit back in the 90's and after 9/11 that basically put them out of the market, they chose to get into other careers or other ventures outside of the industry. The ones that held on are now senior level engineers or into management. Agree... I drive a Jeep and always have while my coworkers are in Corvettes, Porches, Benz, BMW, etc... modestly of course is how I got here in life.
 
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Maylis, ignore the suggestions to the effect that you are envious or don't understand economics, your observations are entirely correct. 30 years ago I was an apprentice engineer and noticed exactly the same things. I am now the CEO of a successful company in the financial services sector. Oddly enough I greatly regret not sticking with the engineering - the work is far more interesting and fulfilling than business and management. That said if you're not feeling content you should look for a new direction. Perhaps in an engineering job for the government (LIGO, etc?), as you say, where you'll love the work for its own sake and have the protection of lifetime employment and a pension (...if such jobs really do exist). Or perhaps you could work in a fast growing company or a start-up - but this is high risk and might lead to a dead end. If you enjoy the work you do then don't jump too soon to the other side just for the money. Good luck.
 
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Choppy said:
Yep - life's not fair.

This is one of the most popular excuses losers love to make. Another category of folks who used to use such "motto" - who exploits fist one to make them do not feel too screwed. In fact, in my opinion, life is ultimately fair on the long run. Surely there are statistical flukes but if "you" shoot enough number of shots then your capabilities are getting close to objective.
 

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