Fermi's Golden Rule Density of States

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The discussion revolves around the application of Fermi's Golden Rule (FGR) in calculating transition rates in particle physics, particularly focusing on the density of states and the implications of boundary conditions in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the theoretical framework and mathematical formulations relevant to these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents Fermi's Golden Rule as Γ=2π|Mfi|ρ and discusses the derivation of the density of states under non-relativistic conditions, questioning the appropriateness of boundary conditions that require wavefunctions to vanish at the box boundaries.
  • Another participant asserts the correct form of Fermi's Golden Rule as γ=2π|Mfi|²ρ and emphasizes the importance of understanding the energy-momentum-conserving delta distribution in the context of transition probabilities.
  • A later reply challenges the relevance of periodic boundary conditions in the discussion, suggesting that the original poster's focus on wavefunction behavior at infinity should be sufficient.
  • One participant elaborates on the necessity of regularizing the delta distribution in calculations, explaining two approaches: one involving asymptotic states and the other using periodic boundary conditions to ensure well-defined momentum operators.
  • This participant also mentions the implications of using finite cubic boxes and the transition to infinite limits in calculations, referencing their own manuscript for further details.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of boundary conditions in the context of Fermi's Golden Rule and the density of states. There is no consensus on the appropriateness of using periodic boundary conditions versus other types, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the delta distribution in transition calculations and the need for regularization, indicating that assumptions about boundary conditions and the treatment of wavefunctions may vary significantly across different approaches.

I<3NickTesla
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In my particles course, it says we will use Fermi's golden rule to work out rates.

FGR is:
Γ=2π|Mfi

For the case of non-relativistic phase space, my notes say the density of states can be found as follows (pretty much word for word):
Apply boundary conditions
Wave-function vanishing at box boundaries ⇒ quantised particle momenta
Volume of single state in momentum space:
(2π/a)3 = (2π)3/V
Normalizing to one particle/unit volume gives:
Number of states in element d3p=dpxdpydpz
dn=\frac{d^{3}p}{\frac{(2\pi)^3}{V}} \frac{1}{V}

Then a bit more algebra to get some result

I've normally only seen density of states come into the picture for systems with periodic boundary conditions. If we're talking about particle physics and the rate of a collision producing another particle, I don't see why the wavefunction should vanish at the boundary of some box. The only constraint is that the wavefunction should be 0 at infinity. Surely there should be a continuous spectrum of possible wavevectors for the final particle?

Thanks
 
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It's
\gamma=2 \pi |M_{fi}|^2 \rho,
and the phase-space density comes from the single-particle wave function for a box with periodic boundary conditions.

The real challenge is to understand, why there is not trouble with the energy-momentum-conserving \delta distribution since you have
S_{fi}=\delta_{fi} - (2 \pi)^4 \mathrm{i} T_{fi} \delta^{(4)}(p_f-p_i).
The answer can be found in

Peskin, Schroeder, Introduction to Quantum Field Theory.
 
vanhees71 said:
It's
\gamma=2 \pi |M_{fi}|^2 \rho,
and the phase-space density comes from the single-particle wave function for a box with periodic boundary conditions.

The real challenge is to understand, why there is not trouble with the energy-momentum-conserving \delta distribution since you have
S_{fi}=\delta_{fi} - (2 \pi)^4 \mathrm{i} T_{fi} \delta^{(4)}(p_f-p_i).
The answer can be found in

Peskin, Schroeder, Introduction to Quantum Field Theory.
My question was where do periodic boundary conditions come into the problem at all?

Since I've never seen that last equation before, I feel like you might be hijacking my thread.

No offence,
I<3NickTesla
 
I'm not hijacking your thread but point you to an important point when it comes to calculating cross sections ;-).

This \delta-distribution has to be regularized in some way, because you cannot square it, and you must take the square of the transition-matrix element (which is an amplitude) to get a transition probability rate which figures into the cross section, which after all is what's measured in the lab.

To this end there are two ways: One is physical, and you never leave the usual infinite space and also take the idea of asymptotic states for the incoming and outgoing particles, using the Gell-Mann-Low-description with the appropriate \epsilon regulators. Then you have to start with square integrable wave packet instead of generalized momentum eigen states which are plane waves and not true Hilbert space vectors.

The other is mathematically simpler. You put everything in a finite cubic box in position space and impose periodic boundary conditions, i.e., your wave functions are subject to the condition
\psi(\vec{x}+L \vec{e}_j)=\psi(\vec{x}), \quad \text{for} \quad j \in \{1,2,3 \}.
Then your momenta become the discrete set
\vec{p} \in \frac{2 \pi \hbar}{L} \mathbb{Z}^3.
The Hilbert-space scalar product in position space is then over the finite cube, and thus you have true momentum eigenstates.

The reason for using periodic and not other boundary conditions (e.g., "rigid boundary conditions", making the wave function vanish on the edges of the cube) is that then you are sure to have well-defined self-adjoint momentum operators at all.

Finally you also restrict your time to a large intervall [-T,T]. Then your S-matrix elements don't contain any \delta distributions. With this regularization of the energy-momentum conserving \delta distributions you evaluate the transition property per unit time and volume (making it a transition-rate density). At the very end you can then take L and T to infinity to get the infinite-volume and true asymptotic-state limit.

For details for the relativistic case, see my QFT manuscript (where this is treated in a very handwaving physicist's short-cut way :-)):

http://fias.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/publ/lect.pdf

pp. 224 ff
 

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