Feynman diagram for pair annihilation

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The discussion revolves around understanding the Feynman diagram for pair annihilation, focusing on the interpretation of antiparticles, the representation of internal lines, and the emission of gamma rays during the annihilation process. The scope includes theoretical aspects of particle physics and the conceptual understanding of Feynman diagrams.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that antiparticles do not travel backward in time, but rather forward, with the arrow on the line indicating an antiparticle.
  • Others suggest that particles traveling backward in time are mathematically equivalent to antiparticles traveling forward in time, but emphasize that in practice, antiparticles are treated as moving forward.
  • It is proposed that the horizontal solid line in the diagram represents a virtual particle or propagator, specifically an electron propagator, which shares properties with real particles except for the energy-momentum relationship.
  • Participants discuss that a vertex indicates an interaction, such as an electron emitting a photon, and that energy-momentum conservation prevents annihilation into a single photon.
  • There is a question about why the internal line points toward the positron's vertex, with a suggestion that it relates to the virtual particle being emitted by an electron and absorbed by a positron.
  • One participant notes that the direction of the virtual particle is not significant in physics, as the propagator is integrated over all points in spacetime, allowing for flexibility in the representation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of antiparticles and their movement in time, with no consensus reached on the implications of these interpretations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the significance of the direction of internal lines in Feynman diagrams.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on interpretations of negative energy solutions in relativistic quantum mechanics, and the discussion includes assumptions about the properties of virtual particles and their interactions.

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Hi,

I've been reading about Feynman diagrams lately and I'm trying to understand the pair annihilation diagram. The picture's here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Feynman_EP_Annihilation.svg

I don't understand the following things about the diagram:

1. Why anti-patricles have to travel backward in time
2. What the horizontal solid line represents
3. Why gamma rays come out of both vertices.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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failexam said:
1. Why anti-patricles have to travel backward in time
They don't. Antiparticles always travel forward in time, just like particles. The arrow on the line doesn't indicate it's traveling backwards in time, it just symbolizes the fact that this is an antiparticle.

failexam said:
2. What the horizontal solid line represents
An internal line in a Feynman diagram represents a virtual particle or propagator, in this case an electron propagator. A virtual particle shares most of the properties of a real particle except for the relationship between rest mass, energy and momentum.

failexam said:
3. Why gamma rays come out of both vertices.
A vertex in a Feynman diagram indicates an interaction, in this case an electron emitting a photon. You could draw a diagram with only one vertex and one photon emitted, but as the accompanying text in Wikipedia explains, annihilation into just one photon cannot take place because of energy-momentum conservation.
 
failexam said:
1. Why anti-patricles have to travel backward in time
Particles traveling backwards in time are mathematically equivalent to antiparticles traveling forwards in time. Physically, however, we deal with antiparticles moving forwards in time.
 
bapowell said:
Particles traveling backwards in time are mathematically equivalent to antiparticles traveling forwards in time. Physically, however, we deal with antiparticles moving forwards in time.

I see! So, just to be sure, we want to deal with only electrons, which is why electrons are made to travel backward in time to mean that positrons are moving forward in time?
 
Bill_K said:
An internal line in a Feynman diagram represents a virtual particle or propagator, in this case an electron propagator. A virtual particle shares most of the properties of a real particle except for the relationship between rest mass, energy and momentum.

Thanks for your help!

I'm trying to figure out why the internal line has to point in the direction of the positron's vertex. Is it because the virtual particle is emitted by an electron and absorbed by a positron?
 
forward/backward in time is just an interpretation of the negative energy solutions of Relativistic quantum mechanics. In a very rough sense, instead of having negative energy, you have traveling backward in time. An electron traveling backwards in time is seen as a positron traveling forward in time.

There is no actual meaning in where the virtual particle points at... in physics, we integrate the propagator over all points in spacetime. Thus you can grab the 2 vertices, move them around and get the same image the other way( emission from positron and absorption by electron).
 

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