Feynman Diagram of a Coulombic Attraction?

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The discussion centers on the representation of Coulombic interactions using Feynman diagrams, specifically addressing the differences between electron-electron repulsion and proton-electron attraction. Participants clarify that while virtual particles, such as photons and electrons, are used in these diagrams, they do not have physical existence and are merely mathematical constructs. The conversation highlights the gauge dependence of the Coulomb force and the significance of virtual particles in quantum field theory, emphasizing that the diagrams serve as a pictorial representation of complex mathematical expressions rather than a direct depiction of physical reality.

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  • #31
tom, thank you, interesting. The number of additional quark-antiquark pairs participating in very short pocesses is not a surprise at all. I hope tiny-tim can tell 'real' quarks from 'virtual' ones inside the proton :)
 
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  • #32
tiny-tim said:
... but there are perfectly good theories in which the electron obviously does have a position, and there is a definite number of electrons …

Can you tell me which theory you are talking about?

Can you tell me how to proof that the number of electrons in QED is fixed? It will not work, simply because the operator counting the number of electrons does not commute with the Hamiltonian of QED.
 
  • #33
tom.stoer said:
The concept of Coulomb force is gauge dependent!

In the Lorentz gauge you will not see a Coulomb potential at all. In Coulomb gauge (that's where it's name is coming from) there is a "photon term" plus a static Coulomb potential term" in the Hamiltonian. So the static Coulomb potential is not due to virtual photons but looks exactly as in electrostatics.

The choice of the gauge is arbitrary, but it should fit to the problem you want to study. For (relativistic) scattering experiments the Lorentz gauge is nice, but e.g. for Lamb shift calculations it's awful.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Not true at all. E&M allows various gauges for potentials, but not for forces. Now, experiment demonstrates that charged particles, moving slowly, exert Coulomb forces on each other. Thus, no matter what gauge is involved, there must be a Coulomb potential to generate this force -- as is demonstrated in potential theory, and, for that matter, in freshman physics. Any relativistic theory of EM regardless of gauge, classical or quantum, must have a NR limit of Coulomb interactions. And, it thus becomes evident, a single photon exchange generates this interaction -- see Yukawa's explanation of meson exchange as a generator of nuclear forces.

Note also, that a charged particle exerts only a Coulomb interaction in its rest frame. However, the exact solutions, Coulomb wave functions for an NR electron scattering in a Coulomb field, don't indicate anything like photon exchange. So, ...

Virtual particles real? Well, consider the photoelectric effect. Clearly, the ejected electron is not on its mass-shell when inside the metallic target. Yet, who would say that this electron does not exist prior to ejection?

Regards,
Reilly Atkinson
 

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