Feynman diagrams from Quarks and Leptons Halzen and Martin?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of Feynman diagrams presented in "Quarks and Leptons" by Halzen and Martin, specifically focusing on the topological differences between various diagrams and their implications for understanding color conservation in quantum chromodynamics (QCD) and electromagnetic interactions. Participants explore the potential for additional diagrams and the nature of photons and gluons in relation to these diagrams.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the topological differences between figures (b) and (c) and seeks clarification on their implications.
  • Another participant asserts that diagram (c) is not a Feynman diagram but rather illustrates color conservation, noting that gluons carry color and anti-color.
  • A participant proposes the existence of a hypothetical diagram (e) and draws a comparison between the relationships of figures (b) and (c) to figures (a) and (e), questioning whether the photon can be viewed as composed of equal opposite currents that cancel out.
  • A later reply challenges the idea that photons are composed of equal opposite currents, explaining that gluons have a color index and are represented differently due to their non-abelian nature, while photons do not have a color-like index and are neutral under electromagnetic interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the diagrams and the properties of photons and gluons. There is no consensus on the proposed diagram (e) or the interpretation of the relationships between the figures.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to group theory and the distinctions between abelian and non-abelian gauge theories, which may require further exploration for complete understanding. The implications of color indices and their representation in diagrams are also noted as complex topics.

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Feynman diagrams from "Quarks and Leptons" Halzen and Martin?

The following scan is from Quarks and Leptons: An Introductory Course in Modern Particle Physics, Francis Halzen (Author), Alan D. Martin (Author), page 9. Can I take anything from the topological difference between figure (b) and (c)?

Thanks for any help!
 

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Diagram (c) is not a Feynman diagram, just a way of illustrating the fact that color is exactly conserved. You can follow a continuous path that traces the B color, in one line and out the other. A gluon carries color and anti-color, so the two lines in the middle of the diagram both belong to the same gluon.
 


Referring to the scan above, does there exist a new diagram that could have been included in the book "Quarks and Leptons", call it figure (e), such that,

Figure (b) is to figure (c) as figure (a) is to figure (e)? See figure (e) below.

If so can we think that the photon is equal opposite currents that cancel perfectly or nearly perfectly?

Thanks for any help!
 

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Spinnor said:
Referring to the scan above, does there exist a new diagram that could have been included in the book "Quarks and Leptons", call it figure (e), such that,

Figure (b) is to figure (c) as figure (a) is to figure (e)? See figure (e) below.

If so can we think that the photon is equal opposite currents that cancel perfectly or nearly perfectly?

Thanks for any help!

The photon is not composed of equal opposite currents and neither is the gluon. As Bill_K said, the diagrams of the type (c) include additional information about the color index of the fields. In QCD (an example of a so-called non-abelian gauge theory), the gluon has a color index and is therefore charged under the corresponding interaction. To further understand the difference requires some group theory. Simply put, in terms of color-components, quarks and antiquarks are like vectors, while gluons are matrices. Gluons then carry a pair of indices, so it makes sense to draw them with a double line in (c). Photons do not have a color-like index (QED is a U(1) or abelian gauge theory), so there is no reason to draw a diagram analogous to (c). The lack of a gauge index corresponds to the fact that photons are neutral under the EM interaction.
 

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