Feynman rules - where do the imaginary numbers come from?

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The discussion revolves around the origin of imaginary numbers in the context of deriving Feynman rules, specifically focusing on a particular interaction term involving gauge bosons. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings and conventions related to the appearance of these imaginary units in quantum field theory (QFT).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the appearance of the imaginary unit i in the amplitude for a specific interaction term, questioning its necessity and relevance in the derivation process.
  • Another participant suggests that the term arises from the non-abelian nature of the field strength in the gauge theory, indicating a potential difference from other examples involving fewer gauge bosons.
  • A different participant notes that imaginary units appear in various contexts within quantum theory, such as in the time-evolution operator and the Fourier transform, linking these to the structure of propagators and vertex functions in perturbative expansions.
  • Another contribution emphasizes that the presence of the imaginary unit is largely a matter of convention, stating that the matrix element's phase can be adjusted without affecting the physical outcomes, as long as consistent conventions are maintained across calculations.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of phase conventions, with a warning that mixing different conventions can lead to incorrect results in calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the specific reason for the presence of the imaginary unit in this context. While some agree on its conventional nature, others highlight its theoretical significance in the derivation process. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact role and necessity of the imaginary unit in the amplitude.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the conventions regarding phases in amplitudes are not universally settled, which can lead to discrepancies in results if not carefully managed. The discussion touches on the complexities of phase assignments in quantum field theory without resolving these complexities.

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I'm trying to learn how to derive Feynman rules (what else to do during xmas, lol).
The book I'm using is QFT 2nd ed by Mandl&Shaw. On p 428 they're trying to show how to derive a Feynman rule for W W^\dagger Z^2 interaction term g^2 \cos^2\theta_W\left[W_\alpha W_\beta^\dagger Z^\alpha Z^\beta - W_\beta^\dagger W^\beta Z_\alpha Z^\alpha\right]. The idea goes that a) momenta is assigned to every particle b) all fields are replaced with corresponding polarization vectors.
But for some reason they write out the respective amplitude with an imaginary unit i in front, like:
\mathcal{M} = ig^2 \cos^2\theta_W\left\{ \varepsilon_\alpha(2')\varepsilon_\beta(1')\left[\varepsilon^\alpha (1)\varepsilon^\beta(2) + \varepsilon^\alpha (2)\varepsilon^\beta(1)\right] - \varepsilon_\beta(2')\varepsilon_\beta(1')\left[\varepsilon^\alpha (1)\varepsilon^\alpha(2) + \varepsilon^\alpha (2)\varepsilon^\alpha(1)\right] \right\}.
Where does this come from? I don't see this mysterious number occur in the next example.

Thanks
 
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Hi, I should really write it down before I answer, however just from the top of my head,

This 4 gauge boson term comes the the F_mu nu F^mu nu term. The particular piece for this interaction is the extra non abelian in the field strength being squared.

So is the difference between the other example that it is a 3 gauge interaction? I.e that the i isn't squared in this example.
 
There are many places, where i's enter the game. One is the i in the time-evolution operator of quantum theory, and the S-matrix is a special case of a time-evolution operator (which has to defined very carefully indeed!). Then there are i's from the Fourier transform from time-position space to energy-momentum space, where time derivatives ##\partial_{\mu}## in the action map to ##-\mathrm{i} p_{\mu}## in the Fourier decomposition of the propagators and (proper) vertex functions, which make up the building blocks of the perturbative expansion, which is nicely written in Feynman diagrams, which can be seen as a very clever abbreviating notation for the perturbation series to evaluate the S-matrix elements for a given scattering or decay process as well as (with a large grain of salt!) space-time pictures of such processes.
 
Vanhees is correct, there are many places where i's enter in, but I don't think it answers the question about this particular i. The answer to that is "it's convention". Because the matrix element never appears directly, only as it's square, you'll get the same answer if you leave the i in, take it out, or replace it with some other phase.

Now, if you have two amplitudes, by a similar argument, the absolute phases don't matter - but the relative phases between the two amplitudes does. To keep these straight, we have (somewhat, but not completely arbitrarily) assigned phases to various amplitudes. This one happens to be i. We could make it -1 or 1 or -i or (1+i)/sqrt(2) if we wanted, but only if we changed the conventions for every other amplitude.

As an aside, there are amplitudes where the phase convention isn't completely settled, and there have been mistakes made by people who mixed them together in their calculations, and thus got the wrong result. So it is good to have these conventions.
 

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