Fictitious force and accelerating airplane

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The discussion revolves around drawing a free body diagram for a person in an accelerating airplane, specifically addressing the fictitious force and real forces acting on the person as the airplane accelerates at 2.22 m/s².

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the direction of the fictitious force and the roles of normal and weight forces. Questions arise about which force acts at an angle and the implications of friction in this scenario.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the forces involved, particularly in relation to the angle of forces when the airplane is in flight versus on a runway. Some guidance has been offered regarding the drawing of free body diagrams and the identification of forces.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a specific scenario involving a plant growing at an angle due to the airplane's acceleration, which introduces additional complexity to the problem. The discussion also highlights the need to assume level flight for certain analyses.

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[SOLVED] Fictitious force and accelerating airplane

Homework Statement



The question asks me to draw a free body diagram for a person standing in an accelerating airplane, and to indicate the fictitious force and any real forces acting on them. The airplane accelerates at 2.22 m/s^2.



The Attempt at a Solution



If the airplane accelerates to the right, I know that the fictitious force (ma) will point horizontally to the left. I know that two other forces will be acting, the normal and weight forces, and that one of them ought to act at an angle. We've been taught that the normal force always acts perpendicularly to a surface, and that the weight force always acts straight downward, so I'm not sure with one will act at an angle and why.

Any help is appreciated.
 
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hotcommodity said:

Homework Statement



The question asks me to draw a free body diagram for a person standing in an accelerating airplane, and to indicate the fictitious force and any real forces acting on them. The airplane accelerates at 2.22 m/s^2.



The Attempt at a Solution



If the airplane accelerates to the right, I know that the fictitious force (ma) will point horizontally to the left. I know that two other forces will be acting, the normal and weight forces, and that one of them ought to act at an angle. We've been taught that the normal force always acts perpendicularly to a surface, and that the weight force always acts straight downward, so I'm not sure with one will act at an angle and why.

Any help is appreciated.
you forgot the friction force. Without friction, the person won't be standing very long. Unless she's holding on to the overhead luggage racks.
 
You're right I was just thinking that, haha. Any idea on which force acts at an angle tho'?
 
hotcommodity said:
You're right I was just thinking that, haha. Any idea on which force acts at an angle tho'?
If the plane is accelerating on a horizontal runway, nothing acts at an angle; if its accelerating at an angle while in flight, as you noted, the weight of the person acts down, the normal force acts at an angle (perpendicular to the floor), friction acts parallel to the floor.
 
So this particular example is not analogous to a mass hanging from a string within the airplane, in which case the tension would act at an angle? The problem goes on to ask what angle a plant would grow at if the plane accelerated long enough...I'm not sure why the problem would give me a value that I couldn't apply...
 
hotcommodity said:
So this particular example is not analogous to a mass hanging from a string within the airplane, in which case the tension would act at an angle? The problem goes on to ask what angle a plant would grow at if the plane accelerated long enough...I'm not sure why the problem would give me a value that I couldn't apply...
Oh , that's different. In the first case, assuming accelerating level flight, friction applies
the person's acceleration; in the rope case, it is the horizontal component of the tension that provides the acceleration. Draw a FBD of the plant to identify the angle. (Assume the plant's roots supply the tension force, as if it were supported on a string). Assume level flight, please.
 
Ok, thanks for you help :)
 

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