Fictitious forces and artificial gravity

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a rotating space station designed to create artificial gravity. The specific focus is on the dynamics of water falling from a shower within the station, particularly how long it takes to reach the floor and the horizontal displacement during its fall.

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  • Participants explore the implications of initial conditions on the water's motion, questioning whether to consider initial velocity and how to apply the equations of motion derived in earlier parts of the problem.

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Some participants have provided insights on the assumptions regarding initial velocity and the nature of forces acting on the water. There is an acknowledgment that different interpretations of the problem may lead to varying approaches, particularly regarding the use of previous results in the calculations.

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Participants note potential approximations in their calculations and discuss the implications of ignoring certain velocities. The problem context includes the challenge of applying rotational dynamics to a falling object within a non-inertial reference frame.

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I'd be extremely grateful if anyone could help me with this ... its mainly part iv) that I'm stuck on but the other parts build up to it! Thanks very much!

1. Homework Statement

I have a wheel shaped space station of radius 100m rotating about its symmetry axis (defined to be the z axis) at angular velocity w in order to create artificial gravity.

i) how fast does the space station have to rotate in order for artificial gravity at the rim to be the same as that on Earth (10m/s^2)

ii) show that the equations of motion for a free particle in a co-ordinate system fixed to the space station are :

x'' = 2wy' + w^2 x
y'' = -2wx' + w^2y
z'' = 0

('' denotes second derivate wrt time, ' denotes first derivative)

iii) show that by defining the variable u = x + iy the solution is

u = (a + bt) e^(-iwt)

iv) there is a shower in the space station of height 2m from the floor.
Ignoring the initial velocity as it flows out of the shower how long does it take the water to reach the floor?

How much is the water displaced horizontally when it reaches the floor?

Homework Equations


Coriolis force = -2w x v
Centrifugal force = -wxwxr

The Attempt at a Solution


i) I just equated w^2 r to 10 and solved to get w = 0.316 rad/s
ii) and iii) Managed to get these fine

iv) I'm not really sure whether I am supposed to use part 3 or not here...

To get the time I just used s = 0.5gt^2 where g = 10 and then solved to get t = 0.632 s

To get the horizontal distance I just used that the horizontal force is 2wy'. I then subbed in
y ' = gt and integrated twice to get x = (wgt^3)/3. subbing in for t and w I then got horizontal displacement is 26.6cm

I feel like I have made too many approximations and should have used part 3?
 

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I don't know if this will help, but I think Part iv is a little tricky. If you totally ignore velocity at the shower head, then the water will go nowhere and will still be in place when the shower head circles back around. I think they want you to only ignore the radial velocity of the water but keep the velocity tangent to the shower head circle. In that case, the water will travel in a horizontal line in your diagram. So you can figure the distance on the horizontal line from the shower head to the floor circle and the tangential velocity at the shower head and calculate the result. I don't think you would need to do any integrations as you have.
 
Thanks ... I think you just ignore the initial velocity. i.e. assume its starts from rest
Have I worked out the time to hit the ground correctly ?
 
The acceleration of the water relative to the station is not really constant as it falls. However, it is approximately constant over the 2 m distance, and so your answer is pretty accurate.

But, I think they probably want you to answer iv based on the result for iii. You can get a more accurate answer this way.

Yes, the initial velocity (relative to the station) is zero.
 

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