Field transformations in the z-direction

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The discussion revolves around field transformations in the z-direction, specifically in the context of electromagnetic fields as described in Griffiths' textbook. Participants are exploring the implications of Lorentz transformations on electric and magnetic fields when configurations are altered.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to derive electric and magnetic fields for different configurations, referencing specific equations from Griffiths. Some participants question the correctness of the configurations and the assumptions made regarding the direction of boosts. Others suggest consulting additional resources like Purcell's book for further clarity.

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There is ongoing exploration of different configurations and their corresponding field transformations. Some participants have provided feedback on the transformations, indicating that the second solution may be more accurate. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the configurations or the transformations applied.

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Participants note that the discussion is influenced by the original poster's understanding of the material and their familiarity with the relevant texts. There are references to specific configurations and equations, but some participants express uncertainty about their interpretations and the implications of their setups.

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Homework Statement
Transformation rules fot the fields in a lorentz boost in the z-direction.
Relevant Equations
Look at attempt at a solution.
Question:
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Eq. 12.109:
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My solution:
We’ll first use the configuration from figure 12.35 in the book Griffiths. Where the only difference is
that v_0 is in the z-direction. The electric field in the y-direction will be the same.
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$$E_y = \frac{\sigma}{\epsilon _0}$$
Now we're going to derive the general rule, following just like how it's done in the book Griffiths. The surface current will look like:
$$\mathbf{K_{\pm}}=\mp \sigma v_0 \hat{\mathbf{z}}$$
By the right-hand rule the field would point in the positive x direction, with the magnitude as:
$$B_x = \mu_0 \sigma v_0.$$
The third system $\overline{S}$, would ofcourse travel in the z direction instead of the x direction.
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The fields will look like:
$$ \overline{E_y} = \frac{\overline{\sigma}}{\epsilon _0}$$
$$\overline{B_x} = \mu_0 \overline{\sigma} \overline{v_0}$$
Now we just need to express $\overline{\mathbf{E}}$ and $\overline{\mathbf{B}}$ in terms of $\mathbf{E}$ and $\mathbf{B}$.
We will use the same equations 12.98, 12.99, 12.101 and 12.102 to do the algebra because they didn't change.
$$\overline{E_y} = \gamma \left( E_y + vB_x \right)$$
$$\overline{B_x} = \gamma \left( B_x + \frac{v}{c^2}E_y \right)$$
To find $E_x$ and $B_y$, the configuration will be identical to figure 12.36.
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The fields in $S$ will be as follows:
$$E_x = \frac{\sigma}{\epsilon_0}$$
$$B_y = \sigma \mu_0 v_0$$
The fields in $\overline{S}$ will look like:
$$\overline{E_x} = \gamma \left( E_x + vB_y \right)$$
$$\overline{B_y} = \gamma \left( B_y + \frac{v}{c^2}E_x \right)$$
For the z component of the electric fields will be same and for the magnetic will also be the same, if we take a solenoid parallel to the z-axis.
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But the solenoid being on the z-axis.
$$\overline{B_z} = B_z$$
$$\overline{E_z} = E_z$$
I'm not exactly sure if I'm right, because it all depends if your configuration is correct.
 
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Trying reading Purcell's as a complement. It uses SR to introduce E&M.
 
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ChiralSuperfields said:
Trying reading Purcell's as a complement. It uses SR to introduce E&M.
Can't find anything about field transformations in his book, can you point out what I did wrong?
 
Okay I have tried to do it with different configurations.
New solution:
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At configuration 1 (top configuration), I concluded the following:
$$E_y = \frac{\sigma}{\epsilon _0}$$
$$\mathbf{K_{\pm}} = \pm \sigma v_0 \mathbf{\hat{z}}$$
$$B_x = -\mu _0 \sigma v_0$$
$$\overline{E_y} = \gamma \left( E_y - vB_x \right)$$
$$\overline{B_x} = \gamma \left( B_x - \frac{v}{c^2} E_y \right)$$
At configuration 2 (middle left), I concluded the following:
$$\overline{E_z}=E_z$$
At configuration 3 (bottom left), I concluded the following:
$$\overline{B_z} = B_z$$
At configuration 4 (bottom right), I concluded the following:
$$E_x = \frac{\sigma}{\epsilon_0}$$
$$B_y = \mu _0 \sigma v_0$$
$$\overline{E_x} = \gamma \left( E_x + vB_y \right)$$
$$\overline{B_y} = \gamma \left( B_y + \frac{v}{c^2} E_x \right)$$

Personal questions:
Since in griffiths they have boosted at a negative x directio, should I also have boosted in a negative z direction?
I think my second solution is more correct than my first one.
 
milkism said:
Can't find anything about field transformations in his book, can you point out what I did wrong?
Sorry I have only read a bit of purcell's so I am not up to that level yet.
 
The transformations in the second solution are correct, but indeed you should have moved the capacitor in the negative z-direction because this corresponds to you moving in the positive z-direction relative to the rest of space and thus a positive boost in the z-direction.
 
Note: this just means changing the sign in front of v.
 

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