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The discussion centers on the proof of Theorem 3 from Dummit and Foote's Chapter 13 on Field Theory, specifically the equality \( p(\overline{x}) = \overline{p(x)} \). Participants clarify that the proof relies on the homomorphism property of the mapping \( \pi \), which is essential for moving operations inside the \( \pi \) operator. The proof is not fully demonstrated in the text and is left as an exercise, prompting further exploration of the necessity of \( \pi \) in establishing the theorem. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding cosets in the field \( F[x] / (p(x)) \) and the role of injective homomorphisms in demonstrating isomorphism between fields.

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I am reading Dummit and Foote, Chapter 13 - Field Theory.

I am currently studying Theorem 3 [pages 512 - 513]

I need some help with an aspect the proof of Theorem 3 ... ...

Theorem 3 on pages 512-513 reads as follows:
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In the above text from Dummit and Foote, we read the following:

" ... ... We identify ##F## with its isomorphic image in ##K## and view ##F## as a subfield of ##K##. If ##\overline{x} = \pi (x)## denotes the image of ##x## in the quotient ##K##, then

##p( \overline{x} ) = \overline{ p(x) }## ... ... (since ##\pi## is a homomorphism)

... ... "My question is as follows: ... where in the proof of ##p( \overline{x} ) = \overline{ p(x) }## does it depend on ##\pi## being a homomorphism ... ...

... indeed, how does one formally and rigorously demonstrate that ##p( \overline{x} ) = \overline{ p(x) }## ... ... and how does this proof depend on ##\pi## being a homomorphism ...
To make my question clearer consider the case of ##p(x) = x^2 - 5## ... ...

Then ...

##p( \overline{x} ) = \overline{x}^2 - 5_K##

##= ( x + ( p(x) ) ( x + ( p(x) ) - ( 5 + ( p(x) )##

##= ( x^2 + ( p(x) ) - ( 5 + ( p(x) )##

##= (x^2 - 5) + ( p(x) ) = 0##

##= \overline{ p(x) }##... ... in the above case, my question is ... where does the above calculation depend on ##\pi## being a homomorphism ... ?
Hope someone can help ...

Peter
 

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The proof does not demonstrate that ##p(\overline x)=\overline{p(x)}## *. It is left 'as an exercise for the reader'.

Here are the missing steps. We write ##p(x)=\sum_{k=0}^n a_kx^k##:

\begin{align*}
p(\overline x)&=
\sum_{k=0}^n a_k\overline x^k\\
&=\sum_{k=0}^n a_k\pi(x)^k\\
&=\pi\left(\sum_{k=0}^n a_kx^k\right)\\
&\quad\quad\quad\textrm{[HERE we have used the homomorphism property to move the additions and multiplications inside the }\pi\textrm{ operator}]\\
&=\left(\sum_{k=0}^n a_kx^k\right) + (p(x))\\
&=p(x)+(px(x))\\
&=(p(x))\\
&=0_K
\end{align*}

* Indeed, depending on how one interprets the author's statement that ##\overline x=\pi(x)##, the symbol string ##\overline{p(x)}## may not even be defined.
 
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The proof does not demonstrate that ##p(\overline x)=\overline{p(x)}## *. It is left 'as an exercise for the reader'.

Here are the missing steps. We write ##p(x)=\sum_{k=0}^n a_kx^k##:

\begin{align*}
p(\overline x)&=
\sum_{k=0}^n a_k\overline x^k\\
&=\sum_{k=0}^n a_k\pi(x)^k\\
&=\pi\left(\sum_{k=0}^n a_kx^k\right)\\
&\quad\quad\quad\textrm{[HERE we have used the homomorphism property to move the additions and multiplications inside the }\pi\textrm{ operator}]\\
&=\left(\sum_{k=0}^n a_kx^k\right) + (p(x))\\
&=p(x)+(px(x))\\
&=(p(x))\\
&=0_K
\end{align*}

* Indeed, depending on how one interprets the author's statement that ##\overline x=\pi(x)##, the symbol string ##\overline{p(x)}## may not even be defined.
Thanks for the help, Andrew ...

Just now reflecting on what you have written... but at first sight, it seems very clear ...

Thanks again,

Peter
 
Hi Andrew,

Thanks for you help ... BUT ... just a further issue on this topic ...

Why do we need to consider a mapping/homomorphism at all in proving that ##p( \overline{x} ) = \overline{ p(x) }## ...

Surely we can just prove that ##p( \overline{x} ) = \overline{ p(x) }## in the field ##F[x] / ( p(x) )## by simply considering the nature of the cosets of the quotient ... and in particular the rules for adding and multiplying cosets ...

I wonder whether we need ##\pi## at all in the proof of Theorem 3 ...

Can you comment ... ?

Peter
 
Math Amateur said:
Surely we can just prove that ##p( \overline{x} ) = \overline{ p(x) }## in the field ##F[x] / ( p(x) )## by simply considering the nature of the cosets of the quotient ... and in particular the rules for adding and multiplying cosets ...
The difficulty is that ##\overline x## is defined as ##\pi(x)##, so we cannot even state the claim ##p( \overline{x} ) = \overline{ p(x) }##, let alone prove it, unless we have defined ##\pi##.

Also, recall that the key claim of Theorem 3 is that ##K## contains an isomorphic copy of ##F##. The easiest way to demonstrate that is to create an injective homomorphism into ##K## from a field that is isomorphic to ##F##. That injective homomorphism is ##\pi|_{F'}## where ##F'## is the subring of ##F[x]## consisting of polynomials of degree 0, which is isomorphic to ##F##.

So we have ##F\cong F'\cong Im\ \pi|_{F'}##. In the book they identify ##F'## with ##F## but I find it clearer in this context to highlight the difference.
 

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