Fight against Microsoft Monopoly

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of Microsoft's "Secure Boot" technology and its impact on user freedom and operating system choices. Participants express concerns about potential restrictions on booting unauthorized operating systems, particularly in the context of Linux and other alternatives. The conversation touches on themes of user rights, security, and the relationship between hardware manufacturers and software freedom.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that "Secure Boot" may effectively become "Restricted Boot," limiting users' ability to run unauthorized operating systems, which they argue undermines user freedom.
  • Others support the technology, arguing that it is necessary to protect against malware and that allowing users to override it could defeat its purpose.
  • There are claims that users should have complete rights over their machines, with some stating they would refuse to buy systems that impose such restrictions.
  • Some participants suggest that for most users, the feature is beneficial, while those who prefer alternatives can choose different systems.
  • Concerns are raised about the practical difficulties of changing BIOS settings to install Linux, which may deter users from trying alternative operating systems.
  • One participant mentions the option of using virtualization software like VMWare to run Linux without altering the main operating system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the implications of "Secure Boot." While some see it as a necessary security feature, others view it as a restriction on user freedom. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express frustration over the perceived lack of options for users who wish to install alternative operating systems on machines designed primarily for Windows. There are also references to the potential for confusion and misinformation regarding the security of Linux compared to Windows.

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This makes me sick. Apparently Fedora (Red Hat) has given in and has agreed to pay Verisign. Ubuntu (Canonical) is making it's own key. But the issue isn't about money as much it is about freedom.

http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement


Microsoft has announced that if computer makers wish to distribute machines with the Windows 8 compatibility logo, they will have to implement a measure called "Secure Boot." However, it is currently up for grabs whether this technology will live up to its name, or will instead earn the name Restricted Boot.

When done correctly, "Secure Boot" is designed to protect against malware by preventing computers from loading unauthorized binary programs when booting. In practice, this means that computers implementing it won't boot unauthorized operating systems -- including initially authorized systems that have been modified without being re-approved.

This could be a feature deserving of the name, as long as the user is able to authorize the programs she wants to use, so she can run free software written and modified by herself or people she trusts. However, we are concerned that Microsoft and hardware manufacturers will implement these boot restrictions in a way that will prevent users from booting anything other than Windows. In this case, we are better off calling the technology Restricted Boot, since such a requirement would be a disastrous restriction on computer users and not a security feature at all.

Please add your name to the following statement, to show computer manufacturers, governments, and Microsoft that you care about this freedom and will work to protect it...
 
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I'm tired of rootkits. I fully support the technology.

Allowing users to override it program-by-program largely defeats the purpose of it.

Allowing whole new os's to be booted-? Pay the fee if you want to play.
 
I won't buy such machines. If I buy a machine, I require complete right over it.
 
Antiphon said:
Allowing whole new os's to be booted-? Pay the fee if you want to play.

Pay the fee for what ?
 
You're free not to buy these systems. I don't really see the problem. For the vast majority of users this is a feature, for the rest, they can buy something else.

Microsoft has already said that for Non-ARM based machines that you could turn it off in UEFI.
 
This could be a feature deserving of the name, as long as the user is able to authorize the programs she wants to use, so she can run free software written and modified by herself or people she trusts.
How odd - "she".
I always find it odd when people write she in places where it obvious that the majority of readers are going to be males.

It does seem like it could end up being a slippery slope to becoming a pain in the bottom to run other OS's though.
 
I don't undesrstand your logic. Why do you want to buy a computer designed to run windows, and then complain because that's what it does?

If you want a bare bones system,, get one. You probably won't find any for sale in big computer stores, but I'm sure the Linux community has enough expertise to tell you where to get one, or how to build your own.
 
Suppose you share a laptop. And the other person wants Windows. Very few laptops come with Linux pre-installed, so we probably want to buy a laptop with Windows and install Linux. But you can't. (OK, I know you can. But seriously. Changing BIOS settings? Not something I'd like to do to simply get linux boot)
 
dalcde said:
Suppose you share a laptop. And the other person wants Windows. Very few laptops come with Linux pre-installed, so we probably want to buy a laptop with Windows and install Linux. But you can't. (OK, I know you can. But seriously. Changing BIOS settings? Not something I'd like to do to simply get linux boot)

Exactly. People say that you have the option of switching it off. But to do that for a layman would be tedious and troublesome, so much so that he might let go of the effort to install linux altogether. As it is, few people use linux. Now even those who might just want to "try it out" would be highly discouraged to do so. Not to mention the FUD that comes with it "linux is insecure, microsoft isn't"
 
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If you're unsure about keeping Linux installed permanently you can just run it through VMWare for a while.
 

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