Ahmadinejad's speech at Durban II

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The discussion centers around Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's speech at the Durban Review Conference on racism, addressing themes of historical injustices, the role of powerful nations in perpetuating discrimination, and critiques of international governance structures, particularly the UN Security Council. The speech touches on issues of war, economic exploitation, and the consequences of racism, reflecting on both historical and contemporary contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Ahmadinejad discusses the historical suffering of humanity, referencing slavery, wars, and the establishment of oppressive regimes.
  • He questions the legitimacy of the UN Security Council's veto power and its implications for justice and equality among nations.
  • Some participants note the perceived hypocrisy of powerful nations that condemn racism while engaging in discriminatory practices themselves.
  • Ahmadinejad argues that military actions by the US and its allies are driven by self-interest and economic motives rather than humanitarian concerns.
  • He raises concerns about the impact of Western economic policies on global crises and the inequitable distribution of resources.
  • Racism is described as a consequence of ignorance regarding human existence and a deviation from divine values, according to Ahmadinejad's perspective.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reflects multiple competing views regarding the causes and implications of racism, the role of international bodies, and the motivations behind military interventions. There is no consensus on these issues, as participants express varied interpretations and critiques of Ahmadinejad's assertions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of historical narratives and the varying interpretations of international relations, suggesting that assumptions about motivations and consequences are not universally accepted.

  • #31
racism is not acceptable

AhmedEzz said:
Israel is not *sacred* or *holy* or has some sort of superiority. Its just like any other country and has government of human beings, which can make mistakes either deliberately or not. I find it that some people just can't accept the idea that Israel might do anything wrong.

Whatever does that have to do with the topic of this thread, or with anything anyone has previously posted?? :confused:

None of the countries who walked out said that Israel can't do anything wrong, nor has anyone on this thread. :frown:
In either way, criticizing Israel should not be taken so emotionally.

They did not walk out because of Ahmadinejad's criticism of Israel. :rolleyes:

They walked out because of Ahmadinejad's racism. :frown:

The conference was supposed to be anti-racist, but Iran was a co-chair of the planning committee, and the first invited speaker was a well-known racist.

According to Al Jazeera:

Gordon Brown said "we unreservedly condemn the Iranian president's offensive and inflammatory remarks"

The US called it "vile and hateful" and "shameful".

Norway's foreign minister said Ahmadinejad's words amounted to incitement to hatred.
and
Peter Gooderham, a British diplomat, described the speech as "anti-Semitic" and said they "should have no place in a UN anti-racism forum".
Rupert Colville, spokesman for Navi Pillay, the UN high commissioner for human rights who convened the meeting, said the speech was "completely inappropriate at a conference designed to nurture diversity and tolerance".
 
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  • #32


tiny-tim said:
Those countries who walked out were saying that racism is not acceptable.

Those countries who stayed were saying that racism is acceptable. :redface:

They could just choose not to go there like some other nations did.
 
  • #33


Following World War II, they resorted to military aggression to make an entire nation homeless under the pretext of Jewish suffering and they sent migrants from Europe, the United States and other parts of the world in order to establish a totally racist government in occupied Palestine.And, in fact, in compensation for the dire consequences of racism in Europe, they helped bring to power the most cruel and repressive racist regime in Palestine.

The Security Council helped stabilize the occupying regime and supported it in the past 60 years giving them a free hand to commit all sorts of atrocities. It is all the more regrettable that a number of Western governments and the United States have committed themselves to defending those racist perpetrators of genocide while the awakened-conscience and free-minded people of the world condemn aggression, brutalities and the bombardment of civilians in Gaza. The supporters of Israel have always been either supportive or silent against the crimes.

I suppose this is the part of the speech that all of you don't like and the underlined words are those particular words you are not in favor of, right? This is what caused the magnificent walk-out?

I just want to make sure that we are following each other here.
 
  • #34


AhmedEzz said:
This is what caused the magnificent walk-out?
I don't think so. Why do you fail to acknowledge that what caused the walk-out is the fact that the words were so expected that many countries did not even bother to show up. He did it again and in complete ignorance of the positive moves other nations make towards his. He spited in the plate he was given. That's not very elegant to say the least.
 
  • #35
Please, I don't want to stray to another discussion of how Nejd ruined his *chance* of reconciliation. What I want to know is that were those words the cause of your problem? if so we can then discuss them. But before we talk about a problem, we need to know what it is.
 
  • #36
AhmedEzz said:
But before we talk about a problem, we need to know what it is.
Sure. Those words plus all the others before worsen by the illusionary expectation that he may follow other in the positive direction. You can not trivialize the situation to one sentence.
 
  • #37


AhmedEzz said:
I suppose this is the part of the speech that all of you don't like and the underlined words are those particular words you are not in favor of, right? This is what caused the magnificent walk-out?

I just want to make sure that we are following each other here.

He took out holocaust denial 45 minutes before his speech. It could have been much worse :rolleyes:
 
  • #38
humanino said:
Sure. Those words plus all the others before worsen by the illusionary expectation that he may follow other in the positive direction. You can not trivialize the situation to one sentence.

What do you think would make him follow that positive direction? Why does his criticism of Israel concern you? He said the Israeli regime is racist, cruel, repressive and has blood-stained hands, so what? And it is relevant because he was at an anti-racism conference and by mentioning that world's superpowers support (what he calls) a racist regime, he was actually making a point (that is of course, if his words were true).

I am sure that if my country was attacked like this, I would have been upset. But what Israel did, is doing, really makes me reluctant to condemn the words (not the person as I am in favor of Nejad or Iran).
 
  • #39
mgb_phys said:
Stay (very white skin) = you are from a Scandinavian country that is trying to maintain an image of being fair balanced and impartial. You really don't get paid enough for sitting through this stuff and you should bring an iPod to connect to the translation headphones.

You tell yourself, yet again, they are mistranslation headphones.
 

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