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News Ahmadinejad's speech at Durban II

  1. Apr 21, 2009 #1
    The following is the speech of the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at the Durban Review Conference on racism in Geneva on April 20.

     
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  3. Apr 21, 2009 #2
    And here are the walkouts..

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8008572.stm
     
  4. Apr 21, 2009 #3

    lisab

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    Looks like even the ambassador from Clownland walked out.
     
  5. Apr 21, 2009 #4

    arildno

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    I am deeply ashamed that Norways foreign minister, Mr. Gahr Støre chose to remain at this scandalous conference.

    He is jubilant over his own "bravery" at remaining there, in contrast to those cowardly representatives who walked out.
     
  6. Apr 21, 2009 #5

    mgb_phys

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    So the consensus is that Ahmadinejad doesn't like Isreal.
    You don't think he was just trying to get a better deal on a timeshare in Eilat then?
     
  7. Apr 21, 2009 #6
    I think the decision to walk out is simply childish. One does not have to be in agreement to stay and listen.
     
  8. Apr 21, 2009 #7
    To sit and listen expresses an accceptance that many did not wish to express.
     
  9. Apr 21, 2009 #8
    So, we should only listen to things that we like.
     
  10. Apr 21, 2009 #9
    I don't think Arman was going to say anything new. If so, there will be footage of it. Walking out, as a form of expression has been around for some time.

    Armani made his statement. Others made a statement in reply.
     
  11. Apr 21, 2009 #10
    The point is not to refuse to listen in principle. The point is, when you know somebody, when you have listened this person already many times, when you have calmly tried to express your disagreement, and never obtain an inch of progress, after all this time has elapsed, there remains two options : violence or end of the discussion. Let us be happy that we have now an "end of discussion" and let's consider how we can avoid the other possibility.
     
  12. Apr 21, 2009 #11
    Then, why those clowns were there in the first place. Or, how they are different from the Iraqi who threw shoes at Bush?
     
  13. Apr 21, 2009 #12

    mgb_phys

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    It's theatre.

    Walk out = you are Iran's enemy and you want the people back home to know it

    Stay (brown skin) = you are on Iran's side or you want your electorate / the Generals back home to know you are standing upto America

    Stay (white skin) = you aren't on Iran's side, but you want the electorate / the newspapers back home to know you aren't an American puppet.

    Stay (very white skin) = you are from a Scandinavian country that is trying to maintain an image of being fair balanced and impartial. You really don't get paid enough for sitting through this stuff and you should bring an iPod to connect to the translation headphones.
     
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  14. Apr 21, 2009 #13
    Who says they are different ? Their difference is probably on which side they clown around, but that's not really a difference, it's just circumstances.
     
  15. Apr 21, 2009 #14
    I think we have to listen and answer, even people like Ahmadinejad. He wants to create an "us against the rest"-mentality, and by walking out, he obtains what he wants. If we're not even willing to listen to each other, we'll never find a solution to the middle east conflicts. I don't agree that listening expresses accepting, and everyone who heard Støre answering Ahmadinejad, understand that he deeply disagrees with Iran's leader.
     
  16. Apr 21, 2009 #15

    Hurkyl

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    Given your hypothesis, are you sure that "confronting him" isn't what he wants? :tongue:
     
  17. Apr 21, 2009 #16
    What is Clownland?
     
  18. Apr 21, 2009 #17
    That would be the second choice, because he's not able to defend his views.
     
  19. Apr 21, 2009 #18
    Excuse me but I don't follow. The alternative to not walking out is violence? What?!
     
  20. Apr 21, 2009 #19
    Just putting them together so that people who walked out simply don't get defended because Ahmadinejad was at the stage (not Bush).
     
  21. Apr 21, 2009 #20
    I understand your point. I myself would have thrown worse at other presidents as well, so it could not have been obvious to me.
     
  22. Apr 21, 2009 #21
    It must be where the person dressed as a clown came from.
     
  23. Apr 21, 2009 #22
    Did you ever experience this rage one can feel when asking calmly a change of attitude for more than several years, and getting only worse in response ? If you like to get engaged in wars (as a president) or naked fights (as an individual) maybe you like this feeling of rage preparing you ideally for the combat. If you prefer to think that there is always an intelligent solution to any disagreement, this feeling is the verge of your own failure.

    You know very well that politics carries heavy history. If, representing my country, I feel like I am loosing my nerves in a discussion, then I should leave the discussion, with or without apologies. I understand the responsibility and the decision made at this point. I don't necessarily approve it either. So tell us, what would you (as an individual) have done if you had had the privilege to actually be there ?
     
  24. Apr 21, 2009 #23
    I thought it was also where Ahmadinejad came from actually. I thought that's exactly what it meant.
     
  25. Apr 21, 2009 #24
    I didn't have an ambassador in that meeting.
     
  26. Apr 21, 2009 #25

    tiny-tim

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    racism is not acceptable

    Clownland's chief export is red noses :wink:

    Those countries who walked out were saying that racism is not acceptable.

    Those countries who stayed were saying that racism is acceptable. :redface:
     
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