Final velocity of 2 spheres attracted by gravity and electrostatic charge

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves two insulating spheres with given radii, masses, and charges, released from rest at a specific distance apart. The objective is to determine the final velocity of the smaller sphere upon collision, considering the effects of gravitational and electrostatic forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to combine gravitational and electrostatic forces to find the acceleration and velocity of the spheres. They question whether the problem can be solved algebraically due to the non-constant acceleration as the spheres approach each other.
  • Some participants suggest using conservation of energy and angular momentum, while others express concern about the implications of varying acceleration.
  • There are discussions about the relative significance of gravitational forces between the spheres compared to the electrostatic forces.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different concepts related to energy conservation and the effects of forces. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conservation of total internal energy and angular momentum, but there is no explicit consensus on how to approach the problem algebraically without calculus.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of ignoring gravitational effects, with some participants debating the relevance of gravitational forces between the spheres versus the electrostatic forces. The original poster's class context is noted as being algebra and trigonometry based, which may influence their approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement


Two insulating spheres having radii 0.22 cm
and 0.42 cm, masses 0.16 kg and 0.47 kg, and
charges −4 μC and 5 μC are released from
rest when their centers are separated by 1 m.
How fast is the smaller sphere moving when
they collide?
Answer in units of m/s.


Homework Equations


Fg=(G * m1 * m2)/r2
Fe= (k q1 * q2)/r
F=ma
Vf2=V02+ 2a * X

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm AP Physics and the class is supposed to be algebra and trig. based, but I don't see any way to solve this problem without calculus because the forces will constantly increase as the two spheres become closer. So my question is: can this be done algebraically or does it have to be done with calculus, and if it can be done algebraically how do I calculate the sphere's velocity when the force acting upon it, and thus it's acceleration, is constantly increasing?
Work so far:
F= Fg + Fe
F= (k q1 * q2)/r + (G * m1 * m2)/r2
and using F=ma, a1 = F / m1 = (k q1 * q2)/r + (G * m1 * m2)/r2 / m1
and using Vf2=V02+ 2a * X
Vf for m1=sqrt(V02+ 2a * X)=
sqrt(2 ( k * q1 * q2)/r + (G * m1 * m2)/r2 / m1)* X))
where X = the initial distance between the two spheres
 
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i will give you two concepts using which you can solve this ...
you can assume that net external force is 0
so "Total Internal Energy of the System" is conserved and also "Angular Momentum of the System" is constant
 
I don't see how that helps me account for the fact that the acceleration isn't constant due to the forces increasing as the distance between them decreases.
 
The total energy is conserved, so PE is trading off with KE. The "experiment" begins with PE and no KE...
 
and feel free to ignore gravity. it will have no effect.
 
Thanks for all your help, I figured it out: 16.0m/s
 
eczeno said:
and feel free to ignore gravity. it will have no effect.

you mean gravity due to earth?
coz i guess gravity b/w 2 spheres will have effect
 
well, you have that backward. the gravity between the two spheres will be insignificant compared to the electric force between them (like a factor of 10^10 less). they will both be affected by Earth's gravity, but this problem does not ask you to address that.
 

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