Final Velocity of Mass on Frictionless Incline

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The problem involves a mass sliding down a frictional incline after being released from a compressed spring. The scenario includes a spring constant, mass, incline angle, height, and frictional distance, with the objective of determining the final velocity of the mass.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of energy principles, questioning the role of the spring's compression and the effects of friction. There is uncertainty about the correct interpretation of the distance along the incline and the inclusion of trigonometric components in calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants suggest revising the approach to include the spring potential energy directly in the energy conservation equation. Others express confusion regarding the calculation of non-conservative work and the relevance of certain terms, indicating a lack of consensus on the correct method to apply.

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There is mention of specific distances and angles that may affect calculations, as well as the potential for energy loss due to friction, which remains a point of discussion among participants.

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A spring with a spring-constant 3.6 N/cm is compressed 39 cm and released. The 9 kg mass skids down the frictional incline of height 36 cm and inclined at a 20◦ angle. The acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/s^2. The path is frictionless except for a distance of 0.6 m along the incline which has a coefficient of friction of 0.4 .

What is the final velocity of the mass?

2. RELEVANT EQUATIONS
Ko+Uo+Wnc=U+K
kinematic equations
ma=kx

3. MY ATTEMPT
I tried kx=ma-->
(3.6)(.39)=(9)a
a=.156
I put that into the kinematic equation v^2 = vo^2 + 2a(X - Xo)
v^2=(0)^2+2(.156)(.39)
got v=.3488266045 m/s (note: this would be vo for the overall equation and v only for the compression of the spring)

I put that into Ko in the Ko+Uo+Wnc=U+K equation-->
.5(9)(.3488266045)^2+(9)(9.8)(.36)+[(.4)(9*9.8*cos20)](.6)(cos20)=0+.5(9)v^2
solved for v and got 3.366216946 m/s but that isn't right...I think there is something wrong with the nonconservative work, but I'm not sure what...
 
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I'm wondering about the 39 cm where the spring pushes the block. Is that 39 cm part of the incline? If so, it makes your kx=ma calc incorrect because a component of mg will also be acting. Might be easier to just include a 1/2kx^2 term in your conservation of energy equation.

Also, the cos(20) on the end of the friction term seems odd to me. What is it for?
 


Yes that would make a lot more sense to just use Uspring+Ugravitational+Wnc=K. I didn't/don't know how to solve for Wnc, so I just used Ffriction*r*costheta, which brought me to the cos20...
 


It says "distance of 6 cm along the incline" so it is just Ff*.06 with no cos(20). Keep in mind the faint possibility that it runs out of energy somewhere in the friction stretch.
 

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