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Find a 3x3 Matrix such that....

  1. Jun 23, 2015 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    Find a non zero matrix(3x3) that does not have vector_zpsvsstw1t3.jpg in its range. Make sure your matrix does as it should.


    3. The attempt at a solution

    I know a range is a set of output vectors, Can anyone help me clarify the question?
    I'm just not sure specifically what its asking of me, in regards to the matrix Im looking for.
     
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  3. Jun 23, 2015 #2

    HallsofIvy

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    You are asked to find a 3 by 3 matrix, A, such that Ax is NOT equal to [itex]\begin{bmatrix} 1 \\ 2 \\ 3 \end{bmatrix}[/itex] for any x. This does not have a single correct aswer. The trivial solution, the zero matrix, would be such a matrix because the zero matrix times any x is the 0 vector- but that is specifically excluded- you must give a "non-zero" matrix. There are still an infinite number of such matrices. What about a matrix that makes the first component of any vector 0? Or the second or third component? (But not all three).
     
  4. Jun 23, 2015 #3

    Ray Vickson

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    You are being asked to find a ##3 \times 3## matrix ##A## for which the vector ##\vec{r} = \langle 1,2,3 \rangle^T ## (transpose) is an impossible output; that is, you want##A \vec{x} \neq \vec{r}## for ALL input vectors ##\vec{x} \in R^3##.
     
  5. Jun 23, 2015 #4
    We haven't learned about tranpose yet in class(but i just briefly looked it up right now)

    What is the purpose of taking the transpose of the the column vector 1 2 3 in this case?

    So I find this A= 3x3 matrix that when I multiply it by any column vector(x,y,z) the ouput does not equal r<1,2,3>T is this correct?
     
  6. Jun 23, 2015 #5

    Ray Vickson

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    Is that not what I just said?

    Anyway, writing a transpose simplifies typing. Instead of taking 3 lines to write the column vector like this:
    [tex] \left[ \begin{array}{c}1\\2\\3 \end{array} \right] [/tex]
    we can write it in one line, like this: ##(1,2,3)^T## or ##\langle 1,2,3 \rangle^T##, as the transpose of a row-vector.
     
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  7. Jun 23, 2015 #6

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    You can use rank-nullity: just use a matrix that "kills" the vector ## (1,2,3)^T ##, say.
     
  8. Jun 23, 2015 #7
    Thanks for explaining that to me.
     
  9. Jun 23, 2015 #8
    Sounds interesting. Unfortunately we have not covered this yet(2nd week in) but I am watching a youtube videos to see how this "Killing" things works.
     
  10. Jun 23, 2015 #9
    thanks for your input. I had a feeling thats exactly what it meant, but sometimes i doubt my self with these kind of things. and when I was trying to understand the problem I figured there was more than one answer(you confirmed it)

    When you refer to x, does that mean the column vector with x,y,z (any x ,y,z, values) which when multiplied by Matrix A does not equal specified range?
     
  11. Jun 23, 2015 #10

    Ray Vickson

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    I don't know if you have had the following material yet, but in 2d or 3d it is "obvious" from diagrams: given a fixed vector ##\vec{u}##, any vector ##\vec{v}## can be decomposed into a component ##\vec{v}_{||}## parallel to ##\vec{u}## and a component ##\vec{v}_{\perp}## perpendicular to ##\vec{u}##. (Think of decomposing a force in Physics into components parallel and perpendicular to some given direction.)

    What would happen if, for every vector ##\vec{v}## you took the perpendicular component ##\vec{v}_{\perp}##? Is the operation ##\vec{v} \rightarrow \vec{v}_{\perp}## a linear operation?
     
  12. Jun 23, 2015 #11

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    My idea is this: you can use a matrix whose kernel is either 1- , 2- , or 3- dimensional ( if the kernel is 0-dimensional, the matrix is invertible, so ## Ax=b ## has a solution for any b, including, in particular, ##(1,2,3)^T##. If the kernel is 3-dimensional, you get the ##0##-matrix ). So include , in each case, ##(1,2,3)^T## as a basis vector in the kernel of a matrix. You can also use the fundamental theorem of linear algebra:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_theorem_of_linear_algebra
     
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