Find a,b,c,d given max and min in cubic function

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The discussion revolves around finding the coefficients a, b, c, and d of a cubic function given its minimum and maximum values at specific points. Participants explore the mathematical relationships and equations derived from the function's properties, focusing on solving a system of equations.

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  • One participant presents the cubic function and derives equations based on the function's values at the specified points, leading to a system of four equations.
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f(x) = ax^3 + bx^2 + cx + d min(1, -4) max(-2, 1) find a,b,c,d
 
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Hello, and welcome to MHB! (Wave)

Bob123Bob said:
f(x) = ax^3 + bx^2 + cx + d min(1, -4) max(-2, 1) find a,b,c,d

We know two points on the curve, so we may write:

$$f(1)=a(1)^3+b(1)^2+c(1)+d=a+b+c+d=-4$$

$$f(-2)=a(-2)^3+b(-2)^2+c(-2)+d=-8a+4b-2c+d=1$$

Now, we know \(f'(x)=0\) at the two given points as well, so let's first compute:

$$f'(x)=3ax^2+2bx+c$$

Hence:

$$f'(1)=3a(1)^2+2b(1)+c=3a+2b+c=0$$

$$f'(-2)=3a(-2)^2+2b(-2)+c=12a-4b+c=0$$

Now, we have 4 equations in 4 unknowns. Solving this system, we find:

$$(a,b,c,d)=\left(\frac{10}{27},\frac{5}{9},-\frac{20}{9},-\frac{73}{27}\right)$$

Here's a graph of the resulting cubic, showing the turning points:

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I currently have those same equations I just don't know how to solve the system, if you don't mind can you show your steps for that or just explain how you did, also thanks for the welcome and reply
 
Im not too familiar with how to solve using matrices, I am pretty sure you have to make the diagonal equal to positive one and then the section below equal to zero but knowing that the answer is all fractions I am not exactly sure how to solve it that way. Although if you could show how to solve it that way I would do my best to learn it and understand properly, but if you could do it just with equations it would be a lot easier for me
 
Bob123Bob said:
Im not too familiar with how to solve using matrices, I am pretty sure you have to make the diagonal equal to positive one and then the section below equal to zero but knowing that the answer is all fractions I am not exactly sure how to solve it that way. Although if you could show how to solve it that way I would do my best to learn it and understand properly, but if you could do it just with equations it would be a lot easier for me

I used a CAS to solve the system, but if I were to do it by hand, let's look at the four equations:

$$a+b+c+d=-4\tag{1}$$

$$-8a+4b-2c+d=1\tag{2}$$

$$3a+2b+c=0\tag{3}$$

$$12a-4b+c=0\tag{4}$$

If we subtract (3) from (4) we get:

$$9a-6b=0\implies 3a=2b$$

If we subtract (2) from (1) we get:

$$9a-3b+3c=-5\implies 3b+3c=-5\implies c=-\frac{3b+5}{3}$$

Substituting for \(3a\) and \(c\) into (3) we have:

$$2b+2b-\frac{3b+5}{3}=0\implies b=\frac{5}{9}\implies c=-\frac{20}{9}\implies a=\frac{10}{27}\implies d=-\frac{73}{27}$$
 

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