Find a basis for the null space of the transpose operator

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The problem involves finding a basis for the null space of the transpose operator associated with the differentiation operator on the space of polynomials over the real numbers. The context is within linear algebra and functional analysis, specifically focusing on dual spaces and linear transformations.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the differentiation operator and its transpose, as well as the definition and properties of the dual space. There are attempts to clarify the implications of the null space and the conditions under which certain functionals vanish.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking to understand the definitions and relationships involved. Some have provided insights into the nature of the dual space and the conditions for the null space, while others are still grappling with the concepts and seeking further clarification.

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There are questions regarding the definitions of the dual space and the transpose operator, as well as the implications of the differentiation operator on polynomial spaces. Participants express uncertainty about the mathematical framework and seek to establish a clearer understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement



Let ##n## be a positive integer and let ##V = P_n## be the space of polynomials over ##R##. Let D be the differentiation operator on ##V## . Find a basis for the null space of the transpose operator ##D^t: V^*\to V^*##.

Homework Equations



Let ##T:V\to W## be a linear transformation. Then ##(im T)^0=kerT^t##
Let let ##\{f_0,f_1,...f_n\}## be a dual basis for ##\{v_0,...,v_n\}## then ##f_i(v_j)=\delta_{ij}##

The Attempt at a Solution


Let ##\{1,x,...x^n\}## be a basis for ##V## and let ##\{f_0,f_1,...f_n\}## be the dual basis. The image of ##D## is the set of polynomials with degree less than n. We know from ##f_i(v_j)=\delta_{ij}## that ##f_n## will annihilate any polynomial without an ##x^n## term. But that is the entire image of ##D## so ##\{f_n\}## is the basis we seek, where I used ##(im T)^0=kerT^t##.

I think this is correct, I'm just looking for tips to make it cleaner.
 
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What does that mean:

Find a basis for the null space of the transpose operator Dt:V∗→V∗.

What is the relation between D and DT?
What is the definition of V* ?
 
maajdl said:
What does that mean:

Find a basis for the null space of the transpose operator Dt:V∗→V∗.

What is the relation between D and DT?
What is the definition of V* ?
Sorry for my lack of understanding, are you asking or prompting me to think harder because I missed something?
 
No, I just ask because I think I might answer if I understood the question a bit more.
By the way, informal discussion is often helpful.
That's my own experience.
 
I just understood that your question involved the dual space and Dt is probably the equivalent of D in this space.
On wikipedia, the dual space is defined on the basis of "coordinates" , which is not very encouraging for me.
How is the norm defined, how can I construct the dual space?
 
maajdl said:
I just understood that your question involved the dual space and Dt is probably the equivalent of D in this space.
On wikipedia, the dual space is defined on the basis of "coordinates" , which is not very encouraging for me.
How is the norm defined, how can I construct the dual space?

Hmm, very good questions. I'll take a crack at answering tomorrow night. I just finished my homework and need some sleep. Unless of course someone smarter than me (of which there are many to choose from) gets to it first.
 
nateHI said:

Homework Statement



Let ##n## be a positive integer and let ##V = P_n## be the space of polynomials over ##R##. Let D be the differentiation operator on ##V## . Find a basis for the null space of the transpose operator ##D^t: V^*\to V^*##.

maajdl said:
What does that mean:

Find a basis for the null space of the transpose operator Dt:V∗→V∗.

What is the relation between D and DT?
What is the definition of V* ?

If V is a vector space over \mathbb{R}, then the dual space V^{*} is the set of linear functions from V to \mathbb{R}. It is not necessary for V to be an inner product space or normed space for the dual space to be defined.

A linear map f: V \to W has a corresponding dual map f^{t} : W^{*} \to V^{*} given by
<br /> f^t : \phi \mapsto (\phi \circ f)<br />

Here we are asked for a basis of \ker D^t = \{\phi \in P_n^{*}: D^t(\phi) = 0\}, where D: v \mapsto v&#039; is the differentation operator on V.

nateHI said:

Homework Equations



Let ##T:V\to W## be a linear transformation. Then ##(im T)^0=kerT^t##
Let let ##\{f_0,f_1,...f_n\}## be a dual basis for ##\{v_0,...,v_n\}## then ##f_i(v_j)=\delta_{ij}##

The Attempt at a Solution


Let ##\{1,x,...x^n\}## be a basis for ##V## and let ##\{f_0,f_1,...f_n\}## be the dual basis. The image of ##D## is the set of polynomials with degree less than n. We know from ##f_i(v_j)=\delta_{ij}##

You need to define v_j = x^j.

that ##f_n## will annihilate any polynomial without an ##x^n## term. But that is the entire image of ##D## so ##\{f_n\}## is the basis we seek, where I used ##(im T)^0=kerT^t##.

I think this is correct, I'm just looking for tips to make it cleaner.

I think you have actually to say what f_n is, other than "the dual vector such that f_n(x^k) = \delta_{kn}".

The short proof is to write down
D^t(\phi)\left(\sum_{k=0}^n a_kx^k\right) = \sum_{k=1}^n ka_k\phi(x^{k-1})
and see that D^t(\phi) = 0 requires \phi(1) = \phi(x) = \dots = \phi(x^{n-1})= 0, so that \phi(v) = cv^{(n)}(0) for some scalar c.
 
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