Find a function with the same maximum and minimum? What?

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The discussion revolves around identifying two different functions that share a maximum and minimum at the point -4. Participants are exploring the definitions and implications of maxima and minima in the context of functions, particularly focusing on the conditions under which these can occur.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Some participants suggest that horizontal lines could serve as one example, while others question the nature of the functions required, including whether they need to be continuous or if discontinuous functions are permissible. There is also discussion about the distinction between maximum/minimum values and the x-values at which they occur.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Participants are seeking clarification on the definitions of maxima and minima, as well as the specific requirements of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of functions that could meet the criteria, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are considering the implications of discontinuous functions and whether a single function can have both a maximum and minimum at the same x-value. There is also uncertainty about the definitions being used, particularly regarding the distinction between actual values and the conditions for maxima and minima.

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Homework Statement



Name two different functions that share a maximum and minimum at -4.

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The Attempt at a Solution



This is a vague question. I guess horizontal lines would be one. I can't think of another.
A function that is always a point?

Thanks.
 
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zeion said:

Homework Statement



Name two different functions that share a maximum and minimum at -4.

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The Attempt at a Solution



This is a vague question. I guess horizontal lines would be one. I can't think of another.
A function that is always a point?
Some textbooks distinguish between maximum and maximum value, and similarly for minimum and minimum value. Here maximum or minimum refer to the x-value, while maximum value or minimum value refer to the function value.

For example, the function f(x) = x2 - 2x has a minimum of 1 and a minimum value of -1.

As I interpret your problem, you need to find one function that has a maximum at -4 and another that has a minimum at -4.

It wouldn't hurt to get clarification from your instructor.
 
How about f(x) = -4 ?
 
zgozvrm said:
How about f(x) = -4 ?
I believe that was what zeion said in his original post. The problem is to find another function that has the same number as maximum and minimum.

Zeion, what, exactly, are the conditions on the function? Would "f(0)= -4, f(x) not defined for any other value of x" work?
 
This question needs two clarifications:

1.) Maxima and Minima or actual values? (I take it as actual values, maxima and minima can't exist on a single point)

2.) Whether the question is demanding a single equation have both maximum (values?) and minimum (values?) at x = -4 or two equation each with maximum and minimum.
 
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two thoughts:

1) are discontinuous functions allowed?

2) how about a function with a local min equal to a local max?
 
No local Min or Max for discontinuous functions as I believe. Main is whether the min/max value or minima and maxima (which corresponds to x)
 
AGNuke said:
No local Min or Max for discontinuous functions as I believe. Main is whether the min/max value or minima and maxima (which corresponds to x)
int(x) has jump discontinuities at each x ε Z, and yet, at every "step" (look at the graph) every point is considered to be both a local minimum and a local maximum.
 
Sorry to disappoint you, there's no minima or maxima for a straight line as there is no change in slope.

How can we differentiate a non-continuous function to find out its zero slope?
 
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I'm going by the definitions of "local maximum" and "local minimum" in my precalculus book:
A local maximum of a function f is a value f(c) that is greater than or equal to all range values of f on some open intervale containing c. If f(c) is greater than or equal to all range values in f, then f(c) is the maximum (or absolute maximum) of f.
(The book also has a similar definition for a local minimum)
So, for the function f(x) = int(x), for any a that is NOT an integer, f(a) is both a local maximum and a local minimum of f.
 

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