Find amount of work necessary to extra 4000J from a body

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The problem involves calculating the minimum amount of work required to extract 4000 J of heat from a body at 0 degrees Fahrenheit, with the surrounding environment at 100 degrees Fahrenheit. The context is thermodynamics, specifically relating to heat transfer and work done in a Carnot cycle.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the validity of the original equation used for calculating work and question the temperature units and conversions. There is exploration of the Carnot cycle's efficiency and its implications for the work required.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding temperature conversions and the appropriate formula for the scenario. Some participants express understanding after clarifications, but no consensus on the final answer has been reached.

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There is a noted confusion regarding temperature units and the implications of using incorrect values in calculations. The original poster's instructor provided a different answer, prompting further examination of the assumptions and equations used.

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Homework Statement



Find the minimum amount of work required to extract 4000 J of heat from a body at 0 deg F, when the temprature of the environment is 100 deg F.

Homework Equations



W = (1 - t2/t1) * Q1

The Attempt at a Solution


My answer is 1072 J
instructor says 870.19, how??
 
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Hi mahdert, welcome to PF. According to your equation, it should take the same amount of work to transfer heat between reservoirs at 0K and 100K as it would for reservoirs at 0K and 200K. So right away it's clear that this is the wrong equation; you can't get transfer any hear from a reservoir at 0K.

Also, note the units.
 


The unit for the temperatures, you mean. I expressed them in Farenheits (deg F)..That will be t1 = 310.92 K and t2=255.37 K. Since heat is being drawn from a body with a lower temperature than the resevour, we need to supply work. The minimum amount of work would be what we would need for a carnot cycle. And I believe that is the correct formula. The answer I got now is 795 J.
 
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[itex]0^\circ\mathrm{F}\neq 273\,\mathrm{K}[/itex], and it's not the correct formula. Think of it this way: you're removing [itex]Q[/itex] amount of energy and [itex]Q/T_2[/itex] amount of entropy from the cold reservoir, and all the entropy goes into the hot reservoir: [itex](Q+W)/T_1[/itex]. At best (maximum efficiency in a Carnot cycle), these entropy amounts are equal. Solve for [itex]W[/itex].

EDIT: OK, I see you caught the temperature error.
 


thanks for the explanation.. i understand now..
 


Great!
 

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