Find angle between displacement and velocity vector

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a stone thrown from a height, requiring the calculation of the angle between the displacement vector and the velocity vector at impact. The context includes projectile motion, with specific parameters such as initial velocity, launch angle, and height of the building.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the angle between the displacement and velocity vectors, with attempts to derive expressions for both vectors. There is a focus on the correct interpretation of the coordinate system and the effects of gravity on the calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified potential errors in the original poster's approach, particularly regarding the sign convention for gravity. There is ongoing exploration of how to correctly represent the vectors and their components, with hints provided to reconsider the setup and calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note confusion regarding the coordinate system and the implications of the chosen direction for gravity. The original poster acknowledges a mistake in their calculations related to the sign of gravity, which has led to discrepancies in the angle calculations.

soupleaf

Homework Statement


A stone is thrown at 25m/s and at 37 degrees above the horizontal from a 20m high building. Take g=10m/s2
Let D be the displacement vector from launch point on top of the building to landing point on the ground, and v be the velocity vector on impact, what is the angle between these two vectors?

I have the answer being 51.34 degrees - 14.04 degrees = 37.30 degrees from my teacher!

I have already found that vertical velocity is 15.05m/s, horizontal velocity is 19.97m/s. It takes 1.5s to reach the high point, 4s to hit the ground, goes 80m horizontal distance before hitting the ground, and its speed of impact is sqrt 1025 or 32.02m/s.

Homework Equations


V2 = Vo2 +2a(x-xo)

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that D as a vector can be represented as seen below because of the given building height and the stone horizontal distance.
physics%201.png

To get theta I just did arc tan (20/80)

v as a vector I am calculating its components at impact to be...

vertical/j hat is V2 = (15.05)2 + 2(10)(20)
V = 25.03 m/s j hat

horizontal/i hat is V2 = (19.97)2 +2(0)(80)
V = 19.97 m/s i hat

So to find the angle of the similar right triangle would be arc tan (25.03/19.97) = 51.41 degrees

Since the 2 triangles overlap because they both connect at the impact site, I do 51.41 degrees - 14.04 degrees to get the distance between v and D.
However this goes against the given answer my teacher gave me of 51.34 degrees - 14.04 degrees = 37.30?

I'm confused because I'm tried thinking of different ways to do it, plugging in any of the values I've solved for or been given that are appropriate, but I can never get 51.34 degrees.
 
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soupleaf said:
To get theta I just did arc tan (20/80)
That's totally incorrect. Your drawing shows that the projectile follows a triangular path and that it hits the ground at the same level from which it was launched. You need to reconsider. Hint: ##\vec{D}## is a position vector that depends on time. Can you find expressions for ## \vec{D}(t)## and ## \vec{v}(t)##?
 
kuruman said:
That's totally incorrect. Your drawing shows that the projectile follows a triangular path and that it hits the ground at the same level from which it was launched. You need to reconsider. Hint: ##\vec{D}## is a position vector that depends on time. Can you find expressions for ## \vec{D}(t)## and ## \vec{v}(t)##?

Thank you very much for the reply. I found out my own error. It said take g=10m/s2 but I guess I messed up my coord system somewhere making down +. I went back and made down - so g=-10m/s2 and everywhere else in my work and in the end vertical V should have been calculated using V= Vo + at.
V = 15.05 + (-10)(4) = -24.95 m/s.
arc tan (-24.95/19.97) = 51.34 degrees

51.34 - 14.04 = 37.70 degrees which was the answer my teacher gave.

My drawing did not have enough detail maybe because in the end the calculator for theta was correct. It was launched from a building 20m high which I did not include in the drawing, and the theta I calculated was the angle at the bottom near the impact site. Maybe that clears it up, not sure...
 
soupleaf said:
It said take g=10m/s2 but I guess I messed up my coord system somewhere making down +. I went back and made down - so g=-10m/s2 and everywhere else
Yes, you had the sign wrong, but that description is backwards. If down is positive then g=+10m/s2, but the initial velocity is negative, etc.
 

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