Find angle given tension and friction?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the angle between a cable and the horizontal when pulling a box of sand across a floor, given constraints on tension and friction. The subject area includes concepts of static friction and forces acting on an object.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of equations relating tension, friction, and normal force, with attempts to eliminate variables such as theta and normal force. Questions arise about how to manipulate the equations effectively.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of how to rearrange the equations provided to eliminate variables. Some participants suggest focusing on eliminating the normal force, while others express confusion about the process and the presence of multiple unknowns.

Contextual Notes

The original poster indicates a lack of familiarity with certain mathematical methods, such as derivatives, which may be relevant to solving the problem. There is also an acknowledgment of the constraints imposed by the professor's expectations.

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Help Please! Find angle given tension and friction?

Homework Statement


An initially stationary box of sand is to be pulled across a floor by means of a cable in which the tension should not exceed 1100 N. The coefficient of static friction between the box and the floor is 0.35. (a) What should be the angle between the cable and the horizontal in order to pull the greatest possible amount of sand, and (b) what is the weight of the sand and box in that situation?

Homework Equations


Tcosθ = μFn
mg = Fn + Tsinθ

The Attempt at a Solution


I know there's an easy way to do this using derivatives, but my professor didn't teach us that method and expects us to solve it some other way. I'm not sure what to do, I can't seem to eliminate the variables. Help please? I know the answer is just the arctan of .35, I just don't know how to get there...
 
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hi theintarnets! :smile:
theintarnets said:
Tcosθ = μFn
mg = Fn + Tsinθ

that's right! :smile:

now put T = 1100, eliminate θ, and solve for Fn :wink:
 


Erm, how do I eliminate theta?
 
square :wink:
 


Your professor is right, you don't need to do any derivatives. You have enough information in your two equations. Only rearranging the two equations is required. You can eliminate theta or Fn, whichever you prefer.

Edit: sorry for stepping your toes tiny-tim.
 


I tried squaring... But I'm still left with the unknowns m and theta. I can't seem to figure out how to eliminate Fn either. I'm really confused.
 
theintarnets said:
I tried squaring... But I'm still left with the unknowns m and theta.

how do you get left with a θ ? :confused:

show us what you did :smile:
 


Fn is probably a bit easier to eliminate, so maybe try that. You've got two equations, each containing Fn once. I'm guessing you've done similar problems where you have two simultaneous equations? So try to think of how you solve simultaneous equations.
 

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