Find charge distribution of a point charge at origin.

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The discussion revolves around finding the charge distribution of a point charge located at the origin, specifically exploring the mathematical relationships involving electric fields and charge density. The context includes the application of the divergence operator in electromagnetism.

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of charge density from the electric field, questioning the validity of the original poster's calculations. There are mentions of the Dirac delta function and its significance in representing point charges. Some participants express confusion about the nature of charge density and electric field behavior at the origin.

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There is active engagement with multiple interpretations of the problem. Some participants provide corrections and clarifications regarding the nature of the charge density and the electric field, while others reflect on their understanding and approach to the problem.

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Participants note the importance of considering the Dirac delta function in the context of point charges and express concerns about assumptions made during calculations. There is a recognition of the need for careful reasoning in applying mathematical operations in electromagnetism.

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This is part of the problem in the exercise to find charge distribution of a point charge at origin. I know [tex]\nabla \cdot \vec E = \frac {\rho}{\epsilon_0}[/tex]

[tex]\rho = \epislon \nabla \cdot \hat r \frac q {4\pi\epsilon_0 r^2} \;\hbox { where } \vec r = \hat x x + \hat y y + \hat z z[/tex]

[tex]\nabla \cdot \vec E = \frac q {4\pi\epsilon_0}\left [ \frac {\partial }{\partial x} \left ( \frac x {r^3} \right ) + \frac {\partial }{\partial y} \left ( \frac y {r^3} \right ) + \frac {\partial }{\partial z} \left ( \frac z {r^3} \right ) \right ][/tex]

[tex]\frac {\partial }{\partial x} \left ( \frac x {r^3} \right ) = \frac { r^3 - x d(r^3)}{r^6} = \frac { r^3 - 6x^2 r^2}{r^6} = \frac 1 {r^3}-\frac {6x^2}{r^4}[/tex]

The other two can be worked out as above for y and z.

[tex]\Rightarrow\; \nabla \cdot \vec E = \frac q {4\pi\epsilon_0} \left [ \frac 3 {r^3} - \frac {6 (x^2 + y^2 + z^2)}{r^4} \right ] = \frac q {4\pi\epsilon_0} \left [ \frac 3 {r^3} - \frac 6 {r^2} \right ] = \frac {\rho}{\epsilon_0}[/tex]

[tex]\rho = \frac q {4\pi} \left [ \frac 3 {r^3} - \frac 6 {r^2} \right ][/tex]

The book gave:

[tex]\rho = q \delta^3(\vec r)[/tex]

I don't know what is [itex]\delta[/itex] in the book!

Can anyone verify my work?

Thanks
 
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hi yungman! :smile:

sorry, that's completely wrong :redface:

ρ is zero except at the origin, where it's infinite

δ is the Dirac delta function (strictly, a distribution rather than a function, since it only "lives" inside integrals), which you'll have to look up :wink:
 
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tiny-tim said:
hi yungman! :smile:

both ρ and E are zero except at the origin, where they're infinite

[tex]\rho[/tex] is zero except at the origin, but E can't be. Surely it must be the E-field of a point charge, [tex]E=\frac{q}{4\pi \epsilon_0 r^2}[/tex] ?
 
oops!

oops! I've no idea why i wrote that! :redface:

(i've edited it now)

thanks for the correction, kloptok :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi yungman! :smile:

sorry, that's completely wrong :redface:

ρ is zero except at the origin, where it's infinite

δ is the Dirac delta function (strictly, a distribution rather than a function, since it only "lives" inside integrals), which you'll have to look up :wink:

Hi Tiny Tim

I don't know what I am thinking, I should know δ! And I should know that. This is a problem in Gauge Transformation and I never even stop and think! The problem started out as [tex]\vec A = \frac { qt}{4\pi\epsilon_0 r^2} \hat r[/tex]

And asked to find E, B, J and current distribution. I just blindly go through the steps and solve the problem without stop and think! .

How can I avoid making the same mistake because without stop and think, I just apply the divergence and get the wrong answer!??

Thanks! Today is my 58th birthday and I sure acted stupidly!
 

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