Find Complex Conjugate of Wave Function in QM Mechanics Book

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The discussion revolves around the complex conjugate of a wave function in quantum mechanics, specifically addressing the calculation of the complex conjugate, the resulting product of the wave function and its conjugate, and the determination of the average of the square of momentum. The scope includes theoretical aspects of quantum mechanics and mathematical reasoning related to operators.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the complex conjugate of the wave function psi(x) = A*[1 - e^(ikx)], suggesting it is psi*(x) = A*[1 - e^(-ikx)] and expresses confusion about obtaining a real value when multiplying psi(x) by psi*(x).
  • Another participant asserts that the product does yield a real function, referencing Euler's identity and providing a detailed expansion that leads to a cosine function.
  • A subsequent post reiterates the previous explanation and expresses gratitude while apologizing for confusion.
  • A new question is posed regarding the average of the square of momentum, with a participant providing an integral expression for

    and inquiring about .

  • Another participant responds, clarifying the operator form of momentum and its square, explaining that p^2 is defined as the operator applied twice, and noting the distinction between operators and ordinary variables.
  • A participant questions why the expression for is not simply the square of the momentum operator and reflects on the nature of operators in quantum mechanics.
  • Clarification is provided that the form presented is equivalent, emphasizing the operator nature of p and correcting a misunderstanding regarding the expression for .

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculation of the complex conjugate and the nature of operators in quantum mechanics. There is no consensus on the initial confusion regarding the real value from the product of the wave function and its conjugate, and the discussion on operators remains unresolved with multiple perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference mathematical identities and properties of operators, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and applications of these concepts in quantum mechanics.

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I saw in a QM mechanics book the following wave function:


psi(x) = A*[1 - e^(ikx)]

what is the complex conjugate of this wave function?

isnt it just psi*(x) = A*[1 - e^(-ikx)]

but when you multiply psi(x) by psi*(x) shouldn't you get a real value?

How come I don't?
 
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Check again. You do get a real function. Remember Euler's identity. After you multiply everything out, you can rewrite the remaining exponentials in terms of trig functions:

(1-e^{ikx})(1-e^{-ikx})=1-(e^{ikx}+e^{-ikx})+ e^{ikx}e^{-ikx}=2-2cos(kx)
 
G01 said:
Check again. You do get a real function. Remember Euler's identity. After you multiply everything out, you can rewrite the remaining exponentials in terms of trig functions:

(1-e^{ikx})(1-e^{-ikx})=1-(e^{ikx}+e^{-ikx})+ e^{ikx}e^{-ikx}=2-2cos(kx)

Of course!

Thanks, and sorry for being an idiot. -_-
 
I have another question.

What would the average of the square of the momentum look like?

I know that <p> = integral[ psi*(x) (hbar/i) d/dx (psi(x)) ] dx

how would you determine <p^2> ?

is it just

<p^2> = integral[ psi*(x) (hbar/i) second derivative (psi(x)) ] dx
 
Almost. In general, for some operator A,

&lt;A&gt; = \int \psi^* A \psi dx

and p = -i \hbar \frac{d}{dx}

so p^2 = (-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx})(-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx}) = -\hbar^2 \frac{d^2}{dx^2}
 
The_Duck said:
Almost. In general, for some operator A,

&lt;A&gt; = \int \psi^* A \psi dx

and p = -i \hbar \frac{d}{dx}

so p^2 = (-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx})(-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx}) = -\hbar^2 \frac{d^2}{dx^2}

Why isn't it just

p^2 = (p)(p) = (-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx})(-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx}) = (-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx})^2

?

Edit: Hmm, is it because p is not an ordinary variable in that its an operator?

if so, how come &lt; x^2 &gt; = x \\int \\ psi^* \\psi dx

is x not an operator?
 
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CyberShot said:
Why isn't it just

p^2 = (p)(p) = (-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx})(-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx}) = (-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx})^2

?

Edit: Hmm, is it because p is not an ordinary variable in that its an operator?

Your form is equivalent to my form; I have simply distributed the exponent. Indeed p is an operator and not a number: p^2 is the operator "apply p twice" (and the action of p is to differentiate the wave function and multiply by -i*h-bar). Often one puts hats on operators to distinguish them from numbers.

CyberShot said:
if so, how come &lt; x^2 &gt; = x \\int \\ psi^* \\psi dx

is x not an operator?

Your tex seems a bit messed up; the correct equation is

&lt;x^2&gt; = \int \psi^* x^2 \psi dx
 

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