Find E[(X-mu)^k] - Normal Random Variable

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the expected value of the expression E[(X - μ)ᵏ] for a normal random variable X with mean μ and variance σ², applicable for all integer values of k (k = 1, 2, ...). Participants explore various methods to approach this problem, including moment generating functions, integration by parts, and binomial expansion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to approach the problem and mentions trying different methods, including moment generating functions and direct computation of the expectation.
  • Another participant states that the first moment m₁ is zero by definition and suggests using integration by parts to express higher moments in terms of lower ones.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the integration by parts method and the reference to the probability density function (p.d.f.) notation used in the discussion.
  • There is a question about the necessity of using binomial expansion in the solution.
  • A participant provides the p.d.f. of the standard normal distribution and relates it to the p.d.f. of the normal random variable in question, suggesting an integral formulation for mₖ.
  • Another participant simplifies the notation and proposes a relationship between mₖ and nₖ, suggesting a focus on the integral involving the standard normal p.d.f. for further analysis.
  • A participant reports deriving a recursive relationship for mₖ and notes that it implies mₖ = 0 for odd k, which they find consistent with their understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the properties of the moments of the normal distribution, but there is no consensus on the best approach to compute E[(X - μ)ᵏ] or the necessity of specific methods like binomial expansion or integration by parts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective strategy.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about specific mathematical techniques and notations, indicating a potential lack of clarity in the definitions and methods discussed. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the properties of the normal distribution and the assumptions involved in the calculations.

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Hi,

I'm having a bit of a problem with a probability question. The question is

Let X be a normal random variable with mean [itex]\mu[/itex] and variance [itex]\sigma^{2}[/itex]. Find E[(X -[itex]\mu[/itex])[itex]^{k}[/itex]] for all k = 1,2,...

I'm not really sure what to do and need some help to confirm how to approach the question. I've tried messing around with moment generating functions, using the binomial theorem to expand E[(X -[itex]\mu[/itex])[itex]^{k}[/itex]] and also have tried computing the expectation directly. Are any of these methods the correct way to progress?

Any help is much appreciated, thanks!
 
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Letting [itex]m_k= \mathbb E[(X-\mu)^k][/itex], we know [itex]m_1=0[/itex] by definition of [itex]\mu[/itex]. Next, maybe try to use integration by parts (and the exact functional form of the p.d.f. [itex]\phi[/itex]) to express [itex]m_k[/itex] ([itex]k=2,3,...[/itex]) in terms of [itex]m_1,...,m_{k-1}[/itex].
 
Hi, thanks for your help so far! I'm a little bit confused though. What do I integrate by parts exactly? And I'm a little bit thrown by "the exact functional form of the p.d.f. ϕ" - what do you mean? Apologies, I use ϕ as part of my notation for moment generating functions.
 
Anyone? I'm still really confused. Do I need a binomial expansion of (X-mu)^k in my answer somewhere?
 
Hey. I was using the notation [itex]\phi(z) = \frac1{\sqrt{2\pi}}e^{-\frac{z^2}2}[/itex], the probability density function of [itex]\mathcal N(0,1)[/itex], so that the the p.d.f. of a [itex]\mathcal N(\mu,\sigma^2)[/itex] random variable is [itex]f(x)=\phi\left(\frac{x-\mu}{\sigma}\right)[/itex].

Then, we can express the desired numbers as [tex]m_k = \int_{-\infty}^\infty (x-\mu)^k f(x)\text{ d}x.[/tex]
 
To clean up notation, let's notice that [itex]m_k = \sigma^k n_k[/itex], where [itex]n_k = \mathbb E \left[ \left( \frac{x-\mu}{\sigma} \right)^k \right][/itex]. So we can just work with the system [tex]n_k = \int_{-\infty}^\infty z^k\phi(z)\text{ d}z,[/tex] which I would suggest attacking with IBP.
 
Ah, thank you so much! I got the relation m_(k+2) = sigma^2 * (k+1) * m_k, does that sound right?

With m_1 = 0 it means m_k = 0 for odd k which does seem to make sense.
 

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