Find $F''(2): $$F(x)=∫_x^2 f(t)\,dt$$

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The discussion revolves around finding the second derivative \( F''(2) \) of the function defined by the integral \( F(x) = \int_x^2 f(t) \, dt \), where \( f(t) \) is given as \( f(t) = \int_{t^2}^1 \frac{\sqrt{5+u^6}}{u} \, du \). The conversation includes exploration of derivatives, definitions of functions, and the application of calculus principles.

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  • Some participants define \( \hat f(t) \) and \( s(u) \) to facilitate the discussion of derivatives and integrals.
  • It is noted that \( F'(x) = -f(x) \) and \( F''(x) = -f'(x) \), leading to the expression \( F''(x) = -s(x^2) \cdot 2x \).
  • There is a request for clarification regarding the definition of \( s(u) \) as the integrand of the second integral.
  • Participants express confusion about substituting \( x = 2 \) and discuss the need to evaluate \( F''(x) \) rather than substituting directly into \( f(t) \).

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Participants generally agree on the definitions and relationships between the functions but express uncertainty about the correct approach to evaluate \( F''(2) \). There is no consensus on the next steps to take in the calculation.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the steps needed to substitute values into the expressions for \( F''(x) \) and \( f(t) \). There are also unresolved questions regarding the implications of substituting \( u = x^2 \) into \( s(u) \).

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Suppose that $$F(x)=∫_x^2 f(t)\,dt \\ f(t)=∫_{t^2}^1 \sqrt{5+u^6}/u\, du$$ Find $F′′(2)$?
 
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Electronic said:
Suppose that $$F(x)=∫_x^2 f(t)\,dt \\ f(t)=∫_{t^2}^1 \sqrt{5+u^6}/u\, du$$ Find $F′′(2)$?

Hi Eletronic! Welcome to MHB! ;)

Let's define:
$$\hat f(t)=\int f(t)\,dt, \\s(u)=\sqrt{5+u^6}/u, \\\hat s(u)=\int s(u)\,du$$
Then:
$$F(x)=\int_x^2 f(t)\,dt =\hat f(2)-\hat f(x) \\
F'(x)=-\hat f'(x) = -f(x) \\
F''(x)=-f'(x) \\
f(t)=\int_{t^2}^1 s(u)\, du = \hat s(1) - \hat s(t^2) \\
f'(t)=-\hat s'(t^2)\cdot 2t = -s(t^2)\cdot 2t
$$
So:
$$F''(x)=-s(x^2)\cdot 2x$$

How could we continue? (Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
Hi Eletronic! Welcome to MHB! ;)

Let's define:
$$\hat f(t)=\int f(t)\,dt, \\s(u)=\sqrt{5+u^6}/u, \\\hat s(u)=\int s(u)\,du$$
Then:
$$F(x)=\int_x^2 f(t)\,dt =\hat f(2)-\hat f(x) \\
F'(x)=-\hat f'(x) = -f(x) \\
F''(x)=-f'(x) \\
f(t)=\int_{t^2}^1 s(u)\, du = \hat s(1) - \hat s(t^2) \\
f'(t)=-\hat s'(t^2)\cdot 2t = -s(t^2)\cdot 2t
$$
So:
$$F''(x)=-s(x^2)\cdot 2x$$

How could we continue? (Wondering)
Where did you get the s? ,I'm kinda confused.
 
Electronic said:
Where did you get the s? ,I'm kinda confused.

The second given integral is $f(t)=∫_{t^2}^1 \sqrt{5+u^6}/u\, du$, isn't it?
We're defining $s(u)$ to be the integrand for ease of reference.
 
I like Serena said:
The second given integral is $f(t)=∫_{t^2}^1 \sqrt{5+u^6}/u\, du$, isn't it?
We're defining $s(u)$ to be the integrand for ease of reference.

Yes it is and ok.
 
I like Serena said:
The second given integral is $f(t)=∫_{t^2}^1 \sqrt{5+u^6}/u\, du$, isn't it?
We're defining $s(u)$ to be the integrand for ease of reference.

Do I just sub in x=2 into the second integral?
 
Electronic said:
Do I just sub in x=2 into the second integral?

Not on the second integral... :confused:

We need to dub x=2 in the final expression for F''(x).
And as part of that we need to sub $u=x^2=4$ into $s(u)'$. (Thinking)
 

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