Find magnitude of two velocities, with one at an angle?

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The discussion revolves around finding the magnitude of two velocities, one of which is at an angle, using vector components and the Pythagorean theorem. The subject area includes vector analysis and trigonometry.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss breaking down the wind and glider velocities into their x and y components. There are attempts to apply the Pythagorean theorem to find the resultant magnitude, with some questioning the correctness of their calculations and assumptions about angles.

Discussion Status

Some participants have shared their calculations and results, with one noting a correction in their approach after realizing an error in handling negative values. There is ongoing exploration of the correct method to find the resultant vector's magnitude and direction.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need to consider angles and the directional sense of vectors, indicating potential misunderstandings in vector representation. There is also a reference to a sketch that may aid in visualizing the problem.

Brianna I
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Here is the problem:
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I am sure I can use pythagorean theorem of quadratic equation to solve but to be honest I'm blanking ridiculously.
I have tried setting it on a coordinate grid and finding the resultant, but I have had no luck! I know I've done this problem before in high school but I'm blanking and have spent a few hours now contemplating this.
Thank you!
 
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You could start by breaking up the wind into its x and y components. Remember your trig.
 
Kpgabriel said:
You could start by breaking up the wind into its x and y components. Remember your trig.
Hi! I have tried what you said but still do not have the right answer. Here is my work:
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Excuse the writing, I'm in a car haha!
 
Brianna I said:
Hi! I have tried what you said but still do not have the right answer. Here is my work:
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Excuse the writing, I'm in a car haha!
Ok, so you found your components for the wind. Now find the components for the glider. look on your graph what angle is the glider traveling?
 
Kpgabriel said:
Ok, so you found your components for the wind. Now find the components for the glider. look on your graph what angle is the glider traveling?
Sorry, it looks like you already have the components for the resultant vector. So you should have no problem finding the magnitude by using Pythagorean theorem.
 
Kpgabriel said:
Sorry, it looks like you already have the components for the resultant vector. So you should have no problem finding the magnitude by using Pythagorean theorem.
Hi, as you can see I tried that. It did not work :( Do I sum both the x-coordinates? I had 31cos45 - 87 since they are on opposite sides of the coordinate grid.
 
Kpgabriel said:
Ok, so you found your components for the wind. Now find the components for the glider. look on your graph what angle is the glider traveling?
Ah, would it be at 180o?
 
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Brianna I said:
Hi, as you can see I tried that. It did not work :( Do I sum both the x-coordinates? I had 31cos45 - 87 since they are on opposite sides of the coordinate grid.
Right, what did that give you?
 
Brianna I said:
Ah, would it be at 180o?
Yes it would.
 
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Kpgabriel said:
Right, what did that give you?
92.037. I checked, not the right answer (for part a)
 
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Brianna I said:
92.037. I checked, not the right answer (for part a)
I am getting a different answer. You have r^2 = (-65.08)^2 + (21.92)^2 ?
 
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Kpgabriel said:
I am getting a different answer. You have r^2 = (-65.08)^2 + (21.92)^2 ?
Ah, my mistake. I redid it and got 68.67. I just checked and it is correct! Thank you! I will be able to solve for the angle :)
I must have been too sloppy with the numbers, I realized my calculator was still keeping the negative number even while being squared, messing everything up.
Thanks again!
 
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Brianna I said:
Ah, my mistake. I redid it and got 68.67. I just checked and it is correct! Thank you! I will be able to solve for the angle :)
I must have been too sloppy with the numbers, I realized my calculator was still keeping the negative number even while being squared, messing everything up.
Thanks again!
You're welcome!
 
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The problem also asks for the direction of the glider's ground track. (In your sketch, the directional sense of vector R is wrong.) It may help to draw the vectors to scale and connect them head to tail to get a preliminary ballpark resultant.
 

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