Find Minimal Sum of Distances: (1,2) & (4,3) on Axis OX

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The discussion centers around finding a point on the x-axis that minimizes the sum of distances to two given landmarks: (1, 2) and (4, 3). Participants explore various mathematical approaches and methods, including derivatives and geometric reflections, to solve this problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests the point (2, 0) as a potential solution but is unsure about the method used to derive it.
  • Another participant presents an objective function for the sum of distances and notes that minimizing this function yields a different result than the initial suggestion.
  • Some participants express confusion about the roots of the equations derived and the correctness of earlier claims, with one stating that the answer is (6, 0) based on their calculations.
  • A participant proposes using the method of reflections, suggesting that reflecting (4, 3) to (4, -3) simplifies finding the minimum distance, leading to a proposed solution of (2.2, 0).
  • Multiple participants assert that the correct point is (21/5, 0) and discuss the validity of this solution, with some referencing the method of reflection as a simpler approach.
  • One participant details the differentiation process of the objective function and arrives at a critical point of (11/5, 0), discussing the validity of this root and its implications for the minimum distance.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the origins of certain values in the equations and seeks clarification on the mathematical steps involved.
  • The distances from the variable point on the x-axis to the fixed points are explicitly defined, reinforcing the objective function used in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct point that minimizes the sum of distances, with multiple competing views and proposed solutions remaining throughout the discussion.

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There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions in the derivations presented, leading to different proposed solutions. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problem.

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find a point on the axis OX whose sum of distances to landmarks: (1, 2) and (4, 3) is minimal.

Answer (2,0)

(x-1)2+(y-2)^2 +
(x-4)2+(y-3)^2 = D

Y = mx
I don't know if solve each distance apart or how i wrote??
 
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Re: sum of distances

Your point on the $x$-axis may be written as $(x,0)$, and so the objective function is:

$$f(x)=\sqrt{(x-1)^2+4}+\sqrt{(x-4)^2+9}$$

Minimizing this gives a different result than what you cite though. (Thinking)
 
Re: sum of distances

I don't know but the 2 roots must be
((x-2)2+4)1/2+ (x2+9)1/2 = D When I derive an equated to 0 I got (6,0)
the roots that my friend markflo wrote if he didnot make a mistake why are they so??
 
Re: sum of distances

No, the answer is NOT (2, 0).

The simplest way to do this problem is:

Change the second point to (4, -3) on the opposite side of the x-axis. A straight line is the shortest distance between two point and the straight line from (1, 2) to (4, -3), which has equation y= (-5/3)x+ 11/3, crosses the x-axis when (-5/3)x+11/3= 0 or x= 11/5= 2.2.

Now, draw a picture showing all three points, (1, 2), (4, 3), and (4, -3) and use "congruent triangles" to show that the answer to the given problem is also (2.2, 0).

(This is referred to as the "method of reflections.)
 
The real answer is (21/5,0)
do it Change the way of solution?
 
leprofece said:
The real answer is (21/5,0)
do it Change the way of solution?

No, the point is $$\left(\frac{11}{5},0 \right)$$.

You can find this either minimizing the funtion I gave or much more simply using the method of reflection as shown by HallsofIvy.
 
MarkFL said:
No, the point is $$\left(\frac{11}{5},0 \right)$$.

You can find this either minimizing the funtion I gave or much more simply using the method of reflection as shown by HallsofIvy.

Your point on the x-axis may be written as (x,0), and so the objective function is:

f(x)=(x−1)2+4−−−−−−−−−−√+(x−4)2+9−−−−−−−−−−√

ok friend mark Thanks
I MUST minimize because I an asked to do so
I tried deriving and I did not get it
OK
operating
(x2-2x+5)1/2+(x2-8x+25)1/2

Deriving
(x-1)/(x2-2x+5)1/2+(x-4)/(x2-8x+25)1/2

Equating to 0
(x-4)(x2-2x+5)1/2+(x-1)(x2-8x+25)1/2= 0

And Squaring
(x-4)2(x2-2x+5) =(x-1)2(x2-8x+25)

I don't know here if I and doing well because I get a cubic equation after that

Please tell and help me (Blush)
 
Okay, our objective function is:

$$f(x)=\sqrt{(x-1)^2+4}+\sqrt{(x-4)^2+9}$$

So, differentiating and equating the result to zero, we obtain:

$$f'(x)=\frac{x-1}{\sqrt{(x-1)^2+4}}+\frac{x-4}{\sqrt{(x-4)^2+9}}=\frac{(x-1)\sqrt{(x-4)^2+9}+(x-4)\sqrt{(x-1)^2+4}}{\sqrt{(x-1)^2+4}\sqrt{(x-4)^2+9}}=0$$

We see there are no real roots in the denominator, so we are left with:

$$(x-1)\sqrt{(x-4)^2+9}+(x-4)\sqrt{(x-1)^2+4}=0$$

$$(x-1)\sqrt{(x-4)^2+9}=(4-x)\sqrt{(x-1)^2+4}=0$$

Square both sides:

$$(x-1)^2\left((x-4)^2+9 \right)=(x-4)^2\left((x-1)^2+4 \right)$$

Distribute:

$$(x-1)^2(x-4)^2+9(x-1)^2=(x-1)^2(x-4)^2+4(x-4)^2$$

Arrange as:

$$9(x-1)^2-4(x-4)^2=0$$

Factor as difference of squares:

$$\left(3(x-1)+2(x-4) \right)\left(3(x-1)-2(x-4) \right)=0$$

Distribute and collect like terms:

$$(5x-11)(x+5)=0$$

Checking both roots, we find the root $x=-5$ is extraneous, but the root $$x=\frac{11}{5}$$ is valid.

Now, to show that this critical value is at a minimum, we can use the first derivative test:

$$f'(1)=-\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}<0$$

$$f'(4)=\frac{3}{\sqrt{13}}>0$$

and so we may conclude that the point:

$$\left(\frac{11}{5},0 \right)$$

is the solution.
 
The only thing that i don't know
Is where do they some values come from??
f(x)=(x−1)2+4−−−−−−−−−−√+(x−4)2+9−−−−−−−−−−√

One Point is (1,2)
another is (4,3)
I understood (x - 12)2+22 This is root 1
The second root = (x - 22)2+32

I hope It will be so?
 
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The distance from the variable point $(x,0)$ and the given fixed point $(1,2)$ is:

$$\sqrt{(x-1)^2+(0-2)^2}=\sqrt{(x-1)^2+4}$$

The distance from the variable point $(x,0)$ and the given fixed point $(4,3)$ is:

$$\sqrt{(x-4)^2+(0-3)^2}=\sqrt{(x-4)^2+9}$$

The sum of these distances is our objective function:

$$f(x)=\sqrt{(x-1)^2+4}+\sqrt{(x-4)^2+9}$$
 

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