Find Moment of Inertia and Frictional Torque

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a wheel that rotates under the influence of an external torque and experiences friction. The participants are tasked with finding the moment of inertia and the frictional torque, given specific parameters such as applied torque, time, and final angular velocity.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between torque, angular velocity, and moment of inertia, questioning how to derive necessary parameters from the given information. Some express uncertainty about the equations needed, while others suggest looking for relevant equations in physics resources.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants attempting to clarify the relationships between the variables involved. Some have proposed equations and calculations, while others are questioning the assumptions made regarding the net torque and the role of frictional torque in the analysis.

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Participants note the absence of mass and radius information, which complicates the calculations for moment of inertia. There is also a discussion about the net torque being the sum of external and frictional torques, indicating a need to reconcile different approaches to the problem.

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1. A wheel free to rotate about its axis that is not frictionless is initially at rest. A constant external torque of +52 N m is applied to the wheel for 22 s, giving the wheel an angular velocity of +530 rev/min. The external torque is then removed, and the wheel comes to rest 120 s later. (Include the sign in your answers.)(a) Find the moment of inertia of the wheel.

(b) Find the frictional torque, which is assumed to be constant.

I have no idea where to begin with this... I need a mass and radius to find the moment of inertia...but they aren't given.
 
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Yes, the mass and the radius of the wheel are not given so you're going to have to derive them from the information given. Note that you're given torque, time and angular velocity. Do you know of any equations involving the latter that you can use to derive the mass and the radius?
 
No, I don't.
 
personguy said:
No, I don't.

Grab a physics book then and start looking.
 
I did, I don't see anything.
 
Looks like I'm going to have to be a bit more specific: In your book, what are the equations for torque and angular velocity?
 
Angular Velocity: d theta / dt

Torque: Tangential force times radial distance (Ft times r) = Fr sin theta = Fl
 
My friend tried it this way, but it didn't give the right answers:

Torque = F.d = I.a

I = moment of inertia

a = angular acceleration

F = force

d = distance.

The first torque made the wheel rotate from the rest until the speed gained an angular velocity of 530 rev / min

The torque is 52Nm

52 Nm = I.a

I = moment of inertia of the wheel

a = angular aceleration

let's find a, with : Wf = 530 rev / min, time = 22s, initial velocity = 0 m/s

530*2pi / 60 = a*22

a = 2.52 rad/s^2

then : 52 = I*2.52 >>> I = 20.63 kg*m^2

b), Let's find the frictional torque with :

Torque = 20.63.a'

a' = final angular acceleration ( when the wheel stops)

initial speed before the braking : 530*2pi / 60 rad / s

final velocity = 0 rad / s, time = 120 s

0 = 530*2pi/60 - a'120

a' = 0.46 rad / s^2

Torque = 20.63*0.46 = 9.54 Nm
 
personguy said:
The first torque made the wheel rotate from the rest until the speed gained an angular velocity of 530 rev / min

The torque is 52Nm

Note that the net torque on the wheel is the sum of the external torque and the frictional torque. You seem to be ignoring the frictional torque when finding the angular acceleration of the wheel.
 
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So where would that come into this problem?
 
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personguy said:
So where would that come into this problem?

That's from the initial analysis of the problem. Do you agree with my statement? Do you see how the net torque on the wheel for the first 22 seconds equals the external torque plus the frictional torque?
 

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