A Steamroller on a Slope (Moment of Inertia)

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The problem involves a steamroller with a total mass of 12000 kg on a 4° slope, with two wheels each weighing 3000 kg. The question seeks to determine the acceleration of the steamroller if the brakes fail, with an initial result of 0.56 m/s² provided by the original poster.

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the steamroller and the torques on the wheels. There is mention of using free body diagrams and summing forces to analyze the situation. Some participants question the assumptions made regarding the distribution of mass and the point of rotation for the wheels.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's calculations and suggesting alternative approaches. There is recognition of potential errors in the original reasoning, particularly regarding the acceleration of the steamroller and the center of rotation of the wheels. Some participants have offered numerical comparisons and noted discrepancies in the calculated acceleration values.

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Participants are considering the effects of gravitational acceleration and the implications of using different values for g in their calculations. There is an emphasis on the need for clarity in the assumptions made about the system's dynamics.

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Homework Statement


There is a steamroller with total mass 12000 kg on a 4° slope. It has 2 wheels (full homogeneous cylinders) with mass 3000 kg (each one 3000 kg) and diameter 1,2 m (radius 0,6 m). How big would the acceleration of the steamroller be if brakes got broken.

Result: 0.56 m/s^2

Homework Equations


J=1/2 mr^2

M=J*α

(J-moment of inertia, M-torque, α-angular acceleration)

The Attempt at a Solution


i assumed that the gravity forces of steamroller on the axis of wheels is equal (half-half). I tried to write torques on one of the wheels. 12000 kg (whole steamroller) - 3000 kg (wheel1) - 3000 kg(wheel2) = 6000 kg (driver, cabin, engine ...) --> 3000 kg on each wheel[/B]

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I had a hard time following your work. Maybe I just didn't take enough time to look at it closely.

But if I had a simple mass on a 4 degree frictionless slope, the acceleration of that mass would be much less than the answer you came up with for the steamroller. So there is definitely something wrong with your solution, since the acceleration of the steamroller should be less than a mass sliding on a frictionless surface.

If you haven't already, I recommend that you draw a free body diagram for the steam roller and sum the forces based on that FBD. Then you can sum torques on one of the rollers. This should result in 2 equations and 2 unknowns.
 
srecko97 said:

Homework Statement


There is a steamroller with total mass 12000 kg on a 4° slope. It has 2 wheels (full homogeneous cylinders) with mass 3000 kg (each one 3000 kg) and diameter 1,2 m (radius 0,6 m). How big would the acceleration of the steamroller be if brakes got broken.

Result: 0.56 m/s^2

Homework Equations


J=1/2 mr^2

M=J*α

(J-moment of inertia, M-torque, α-angular acceleration)

The Attempt at a Solution


i assumed that the gravity forces of steamroller on the axis of wheels is equal (half-half). I tried to write torques on one of the wheels. 12000 kg (whole steamroller) - 3000 kg (wheel1) - 3000 kg(wheel2) = 6000 kg (driver, cabin, engine ...) --> 3000 kg on each wheel[/B]

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Two errors.
  1. You have neglected the acceleration of the body of the steamroller.
  2. The instantaneous centre of rotation of the wheel is the point of contact with the road, not the wheel's centre. There are two ways to fix that. You can either use the parallel axis theorem or include the mass of the wheel in the linear acceleration of the body of the steamroller.
 
The given answer seems a little high. I get the acceleration = 0.54728 m/s^2.
The difference could lie in the value used for g. I used g = 9.807 m/s^2.
 

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