FInd non-zero elements are primitive in a field

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The discussion revolves around constructing the finite field $\mathbb{F}_{16}$ as a quotient of the polynomial ring $\mathbb{Z}_2[X]$. Participants are exploring how to identify a suitable polynomial $p(x)$ that is irreducible and leads to a field with 16 elements. Additionally, there is a question regarding the number of non-zero primitive elements in this field and the calculation of the order of the general linear group $GL_2(\mathbb{F}_{16})$.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the requirements for $p(x)$ to ensure that the quotient $\mathbb{Z}_2[X]/(p(x))$ forms a field with 16 elements. There are attempts to identify irreducible polynomials and clarify misconceptions about the properties of polynomials in this context.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various participants questioning assumptions and providing insights into the properties of polynomials. Some have suggested specific polynomials, while others have pointed out errors in reasoning and the need for further justification regarding the irreducibility and the element count of the resulting field.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the definitions and properties of polynomials in $\mathbb{Z}_2[X]$, particularly in relation to maximal ideals and irreducibility. Participants are also navigating the implications of these properties for the construction of the field.

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Homework Statement


Construct $\mathbb{F}_{16}$ as a quotient of $\mathbb{Z}_2[X]$. How many non-zero elements are primitive in this field? Calculate $|GL2_(\mathbb{F}_16)|$.

Homework Equations



Primitive Theorem

The Attempt at a Solution



For the first question, I don't know how to construct $\mathbb{F}_{16}$ as a quotient of $\mathbb{Z}_2[X]$. My guess is $\mathbb{Z}_2[X]/p(x)$ where $p(x)$ is not in $\mathbb{Z}_2[X]$.

And the second part which should be 16^4-16^3
 
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Right, you will have to construct ##\mathbb{F}_{16}## as ##\mathbb{Z}_2[X]/(p(x))## for some polynomial. Now there are two essential facts:

1) The quotient will have to be a field
2) The quotient will have to have 16 elements.

Which conditions on ##p(x)## will guarantee this?
 
HaLAA said:

Homework Statement


My guess is $\mathbb{Z}_2[X]/p(x)$ where $p(x)$ is not in $\mathbb{Z}_2[X]$.

If ##p(x)## is not in ##\mathbb{Z}_2[X]##, then the quotient makes no sense. So that is not correct.
 
micromass said:
Right, you will have to construct ##\mathbb{F}_{16}## as ##\mathbb{Z}_2[X]/(p(x))## for some polynomial. Now there are two essential facts:

1) The quotient will have to be a field
2) The quotient will have to have 16 elements.

Which conditions on ##p(x)## will guarantee this?
P (x) would be a maximal ideal and irreducible, I think x^3-x-1
 
HaLAA said:
P (x) would be a maximal ideal and irreducible, I think x^3-x-1

##p(x)## is just a polynomial, and a polynomial being a maximal ideal makes no sense. You are correct that ##p(x)## will have to be irreducible. Indeed, if ##p(x)## is irreducible, then

\mathbb{Z}_2[X]/(p(x))

will be a field, which is what you want. But you also want the field to have ##16## elements, under what conditions on ##p(x)## will that happen?

x^3-x-1

That is not correct.
 
micromass said:
##p(x)## is just a polynomial, and a polynomial being a maximal ideal makes no sense. You are correct that ##p(x)## will have to be irreducible. Indeed, if ##p(x)## is irreducible, then

\mathbb{Z}_2[X]/(p(x))

will be a field, which is what you want. But you also want the field to have ##16## elements, under what conditions on ##p(x)## will that happen?
That is not correct.
x^2-2,
micromass said:
##p(x)## is just a polynomial, and a polynomial being a maximal ideal makes no sense. You are correct that ##p(x)## will have to be irreducible. Indeed, if ##p(x)## is irreducible, then

\mathbb{Z}_2[X]/(p(x))

will be a field, which is what you want. But you also want the field to have ##16## elements, under what conditions on ##p(x)## will that happen?
That is not correct.
micromass said:
##p(x)## is just a polynomial, and a polynomial being a maximal ideal makes no sense. You are correct that ##p(x)## will have to be irreducible. Indeed, if ##p(x)## is irreducible, then

\mathbb{Z}_2[X]/(p(x))

will be a field, which is what you want. But you also want the field to have ##16## elements, under what conditions on ##p(x)## will that happen?
That is not correct.

If I didn't make mistakes, p (x)=x^2 - 3
 
Can you stop guessing and actually think about it? In either case, if you put up a proposal, at least try to motivate it and say why it is true.
 
micromass said:
Can you stop guessing and actually think about it? In either case, if you put up a proposal, at least try to motivate it and say why it is true.
P (x)=x^4+1, we have p (0) mod 2 =1 and p (1)=2 which show p (x) is irreducible in Z_2, hence F_16 isomorphic with Z_2 [x]/p (x)
 
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HaLAA said:
P (x)=x^4+1, we have p (0) mod 2 =1 and p (1)=2 which show p (x) is irreducible in Z_2, hence F_16 isomorphic with Z_2 [x]/p (x)

First of all, ##p(1) = 0## since ##2=0## in ##\mathbb{Z}_2##.
Second of all, saying that the polynomials ##p(x)## has no roots in ##\mathbb{Z}_2## is not at all the same as saying that it is irreducible.
Third of all, even if ##p(x)## were irreducible, that would only show that ##\mathbb{Z}_2[X]/(p(X))## is a field, you still need to find an argument for why it has ##16## elements.
Fourth of all, ##\mathbb{Z}_2[X]/p(X)## makes no sense. You cannot quotient out an element of ##\mathbb{Z}_2[X]##, you can only quotient out an ideal.
 
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Sorry, but I was having difficulty reading the OP, so here it is with readable Latex:
HaLAA said:

Homework Statement

Construct ##\ \mathbb{F}_{16}\ ## as a quotient of ##\ \mathbb{Z}_2[X]\ .\ ## How many non-zero elements are primitive in this field? Calculate ##\ |GL2_{({{\mathbb{F}}_{16}})}|\ ## .

Homework Equations


Primitive Theorem

The Attempt at a Solution


For the first question, I don't know how to construct ##\ \mathbb{F}_{16}\ ## as a quotient of ##\ \mathbb{Z}_2[X]\ ##. My guess is ##\ \mathbb{Z}_2[X]/p(x)\ ## where ##\ p(x)\ ## is not in ##\ \mathbb{Z}_2[X]\ ##.

And the second part which should be ##\ 16^4-16^3\ ##

... and there it is.
 
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