Find p(x=0 or 1) & F(x) for Poisson Distribution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the probabilities and cumulative distribution function (CDF) for a Poisson distribution, specifically focusing on the conditions where the probabilities of certain outcomes are equal. Participants express confusion regarding the notation and the calculation of the CDF.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants state that if $$p(x=1) = p(x=2)$$ for a Poisson distribution, it leads to the condition $$\lambda = \frac{\lambda^{2}}{2}$$, suggesting possible values for $$\lambda$$.
  • There is confusion regarding how to find the cumulative distribution function $$F(x)$$, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the notation used for the random variable.
  • One participant proposes that $$F(x)$$ should be written in terms of the Heaviside Step Function, indicating a specific form for the CDF of a discrete distribution.
  • Another participant interprets $$F$$ as the cumulative distribution function (CDF) for the random variable, agreeing with a previous interpretation regarding the ease of finding the expectation for a Poisson random variable.
  • Some participants discuss the potential confusion arising from the notation used, particularly the use of $$x$$ instead of the more common $$X$$ for random variables.
  • There is a suggestion that the CDF for a Poisson distribution does not have a closed form, and a request for clarification on what the original poster has attempted in finding $$F(x)$$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the notation and the interpretation of $$F(x)$$, with some agreeing on its meaning as the CDF while others remain uncertain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the notation or the specific approach to finding $$F(x)$$.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexities involved in calculating the CDF for a discrete distribution like the Poisson distribution, noting that the usual methods for continuous distributions may not apply directly.

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If $$p(x=1)=p(x=2)$$ where $$x$$ follows a Poisson distribution, then find $$p(x=0 ~~or~~ 1) $$. Also find $$F(x)$$In connection with the above question, I have confusion about the last part i.e., about $$F(x)$$. I can find $$E(x)$$ here, but how to find $$F(x)$$.
 
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suvadip said:
If $$p(x=1)=p(x=2)$$ where $$x$$ follows a Poisson distribution, then find $$p(x=0 ~~or~~ 1) $$. Also find $$F(x)$$In connection with the above question, I have confusion about the last part i.e., about $$F(x)$$. I can find $$E(x)$$ here, but how to find $$F(x)$$.

The Poisson distribution is associated with the probability function...

$\displaystyle P \{x=k\} = e^{- \lambda}\ \frac{\lambda^{k}}{k!}\ (1)$

... so that the condition $\displaystyle P \{x=1\} = P\{x=2\}$ is equivalent to say that $\displaystyle \lambda = \frac{\lambda^{2}}{2}$, and that happens for $\lambda = 0$ and $\lambda=2$...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
chisigma said:
The Poisson distribution is associated with the probability function...

$\displaystyle P \{x=k\} = e^{- \lambda}\ \frac{\lambda^{k}}{k!}\ (1)$

... so that the condition $\displaystyle P \{x=1\} = P\{x=2\}$ is equivalent to say that $\displaystyle \lambda = \frac{\lambda^{2}}{2}$, and that happens for $\lambda = 0$ and $\lambda=2$...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
Upto that I have already done. I have confusion about how to find $$F(x)$$
 
suvadip said:
Upto that I have already done. I have confusion about how to find $$F(x)$$

The Poisson distribution is a discrete distribution, so that F(x) must be written in term of Heaviside Step Function as...

$\displaystyle F(x) = e^{- \lambda}\ \sum_{n = 0}^{\infty} \frac{\lambda^{n}}{n!}\ \mathcal {U} (x - n)\ (1)$

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
chisigma said:
The Poisson distribution is a discrete distribution, so that F(x) must be written in term of Heaviside Step Function as...

$\displaystyle F(x) = e^{- \lambda}\ \sum_{n = 0}^{\infty} \frac{\lambda^{n}}{n!}\ \mathcal {U} (x - n)\ (1)$

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

I do not think he means that. His notation is confusing. He used $x$ for notation of a random variable instead of the more common $X$. In his question he says that he knows how to find $E(x)$. It seems that he is saying that he knows how to find the expectation of $x$, or in more standard notation $E[X]$. He is then asking how to find $F(x)$ which we can only assume he is saying $F(X)$ in more common notation, but I do not know what $F$ of a random variable is supposed to me, perhaps it is the variable of it.
 
Given that the problem involves some basic principles of the Poisson distribution and probability concepts, I think it's safe to assume that $F$ is the CDF for the random variable here. It makes sense that finding $E[X]$ was easy to do since for a Poisson rv there isn't any work to do but the CDF is slightly more complicated. Considering these things together, I fully agree with chisigma's interpretation.
 
Jameson said:
Given that the problem involves some basic principles of the Poisson distribution and probability concepts, I think it's safe to assume that $F$ is the CDF for the random variable here. It makes sense that finding $E[X]$ was easy to do since for a Poisson rv there isn't any work to do but the CDF is slightly more complicated. Considering these things together, I fully agree with chisigma's interpretation.
$$F$$ is the distribution function.
 
Do you mean this? If so, that's what I wrote. If it's not then maybe you are referring to the pmf. Which one is correct?

EDIT: Ok, let's try it this way so we aren't guessing what you know or don't know. What did you get when you tried to find $F(x)$? For continuous distributions we can simply integrate the pdf to find the cdf, but for discrete ones it can be trickier. In fact, the CDF for Poisson has no closed form as far as I know. Maybe this isn't what you are asked to find, but we need more info from you to proceed.
 
ThePerfectHacker said:
I do not think he means that. His notation is confusing. He used $x$ for notation of a random variable instead of the more common $X$. In his question he says that he knows how to find $E(x)$. It seems that he is saying that he knows how to find the expectation of $x$, or in more standard notation $E[X]$. He is then asking how to find $F(x)$ which we can only assume he is saying $F(X)$ in more common notation, but I do not know what $F$ of a random variable is supposed to me, perhaps it is the variable of it.

In the language of probability F(x) usually indicates the Probability Distribution Function of a r.v. X, that by definition is...

$\displaystyle F(x) = P \{X \le x\}\ (1)$

Its derivative is the Probability Density Function and is indicated with f(x), so that is...

$\displaystyle F(x) = P \{X \le x\} = \int_{- \infty}^{x} f(\xi)\ d \xi\ (2)$

All that has no problem in case of a Continous Distribution Function, in which the r.v. X can assume a continuous set of values. In the case of a Discrete Distribution Function the r.v. X can assume a discrete set of values $x_{n}$ with n = 0,1,... , and the P.D.F. in such a case is of the form...

$\displaystyle F(x) = P \{X \le x\} = \sum_{n = 0}^{\infty} P\{X = x_{n}\}\ \mathcal{U} (x - x_{n})\ (3)$

... where $\mathcal{U}\ (*)$ is the Heaviside Step Function. It has to be specified that in this case the derivative of the F(x) in usual meaning doesn't exist...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 

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