Probability distribution of random events

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the probability distribution of winning in a lottery scenario, specifically focusing on the confidence levels associated with purchasing multiple tickets. Participants explore the appropriate statistical models to describe the likelihood of winning at least once based on the number of tickets bought.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents simulation results indicating that the confidence of winning increases with the number of tickets purchased, suggesting a need for a probability density function to describe these events.
  • Another participant suggests calculating the probability of all purchased tickets losing as a simpler approach.
  • A clarification is made regarding the terminology used, emphasizing the distinction between "confidence" and "probability" in a statistical context.
  • Concerns are raised about the definition of "winning" and the nature of the lottery tickets, particularly whether they are unique or randomly selected.
  • A participant proposes that the scenario could be modeled using a binomial distribution if the outcomes are defined appropriately, noting that a binomial distribution can be approximated by normal or Poisson distributions.
  • One participant claims to have resolved their confusion by realizing that the probability of winning can be calculated as 100% minus the probability of not winning.
  • A question is posed about the initial probability of winning and whether the discussion is about estimating the number of wins after multiple trials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate statistical models to use and the definitions of key terms. There is no consensus on the best approach to describe the probability distribution of winning in this lottery context.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined the outcomes of the lottery scenario, and there are unresolved questions about the assumptions regarding ticket uniqueness and the nature of the simulation.

malawi_glenn
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Hi

Imagine we have a lottery, with chance of winning 1 in 1000 (1/1000). I have made computer simulations in order to find confidence levels for winning. At 1000 bought lottery tickets, the confidence of winning is 64.1% and 2000 bought lottery tickets the confidence of winning is 87.1%

By changing the chance of winning to 1/X, I have verified that there is always 64.1% confidence at X bought lottery tickets, and 87.1% confidence at 2X bought tickets.

Clearly, there must be a probability density function that describe these kind of events but I have failed at finding such in all of my textbooks at home. I was thinking about the Poisson distribution, but that just tell us the distribution of the number of wins for a certain number of bought lottery tickets.

I am only interested if a person wins or not, not how many wins they get. So, should I integrate the Poisson distribution from 1 to infinity? And if Poisson is the correct distribution, how to I figure out the "mean" from the chance of winning?
 
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It's easier to calculate the probability that all the purchased tickets lose.
 
drmalawi said:
At 1000 bought lottery tickets, the confidence of winning is 64.1% and 2000 bought lottery tickets the confidence of winning is 87.1%

If you mean "the probability of winning", you should use that phrase. In statistics, "confidence" has a different meaning than "probability".

You didn't define what you mean by "winning". Presumably you mean that you have at least one winning ticket.

You didn't define whether 1000 tickets each have different numbers. For example, in an actual lottery, if the goal is to buy at least one winning ticket, it would be best to buy 1000 tickets, each with a different set of numbers written on them, as opposed to buying 1000 tickets, each with a randomly selected set of numbers written on it - because if you buy randomly selected tickets, you might buy the same set of numbers more than once.
Clearly, there must be a probability density function that describe these kind of events but I have failed at finding such in all of my textbooks at home.

The probability space you have described has only two outcomes "I win" and "I don't win", so a probability distribution on that space involves only two probabilities.

If you wish to consider a probability space with a larger number of outcomes, you need to define the outcomes in that space. Perhaps your computer simulation is not actually a simulation of a lottery. It might be a simulation of M independent trials, where the probability of winning on each trial is 1/N. If an outcome is defined as winning on K of the M trials for K = 0,1,2..N then we have a binomial distribution. A binomial distribution can be approximated by a normal distribution or by a poisson distribution.

If the goal is only to compute the probability of winning on at least 1 of the M trials then take @Nugatory 's suggestion.
 
Ok I figured this one out. It was just to take 100% - P(not winning) :)
 
I don't understand, didn't you determine the probability was 1/1000? What are you estimating then, the number of wins after n trials?
 

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