Find tangential velocity given radius and the coefficient of friction

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The discussion revolves around calculating tangential velocity using the radius and the coefficient of friction, specifically in the context of centripetal force and normal force interactions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between centripetal force and normal force, questioning the assumptions made regarding the forces involved, particularly the role of friction in the calculation.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between normal force and friction, suggesting that the normal force cannot be simply equated to gravitational force without considering frictional effects. There is an ongoing exploration of how these forces interact.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need to accurately account for the frictional forces when determining the normal force, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the initial approach to the problem.

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A student is in a giant trash can which is set on top of a revolving plate. The coefficient of friction between the student and the wall is 0.32, and the can has a radius of 10m. The can is set turning and the floor drops out. How can I find the tangential velocity of the can needed for the student to "stick" to the wall?
Relevant Equations
Fc = (mv^2)/r, Fn = mg, Ff = Mu (Fn)
I have attempted to solve for the velocity by setting the centripetal force (mv2)/r to the normal force pointed to the center of rotation (mg). This approach seems to give the incorrect solution and I am unsure of my misunderstandings.
 
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Can you post your working? Your method looks correct.
 
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I have attempted to solve for the velocity by setting the centripetal force (mv2)/r to the normal force pointed to the center of rotation (mg). This approach seems to give the incorrect solution and I am unsure of my misunderstandings.
The normal force is horizontal. Gravity is vertical.
 
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Thank you for all the replies. I realized the normal force (also the force making up the centripetal force) cannot simply be accounted for by (mg) but has to be calculated from the frictional forces opposing the force of gravity. This means that (Mu*Fn = mg) which gives Fn=(mg)/Mu; This can be set equal to the centripetal force equation and the correct answer could then be found.
 

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