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The problem involves a smooth vertical tube with two pistons of different areas, containing one mole of ideal gas. The inquiry focuses on determining the temperature change required to shift the pistons through a specified distance, considering the pressures involved and the relationship between the pistons and the gas.

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  • Participants discuss the pressure of the gas and whether it remains constant during the expansion. There are questions about the equilibrium state and the implications of connecting the pistons with a spring.

Discussion Status

The discussion is exploring the conditions under which the pressure remains constant and the validity of the original pressure equation. Some participants are considering the implications of a quasi-static process and how it affects the pressure throughout the system.

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There are repeated references to the equilibrium state and the assumptions regarding the behavior of the gas and pistons, indicating that the problem may involve complexities related to dynamic versus static conditions.

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Homework Statement


A smooth vertical tube having two different sections is open from both ends equipped with two pistons of different areas figure. Each piston slides within a respective tube section. One mole of ideal gas is enclosed between the pistons tied with a nonstretchable thread. The cross-sectional area of the upper piston is ΔS greater than that of the lower one. The combined mass of the two pistons is equal to m. The outside air pressure is P0. By how many Kelvin’s must the gas between the pistons be heated to shift the pistons through l?


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The Attempt at a Solution



Pressure of gas present inside = P0 + mg/ΔS

I have a doubt regarding the pressure of the gas. Will it remain the same throughout the expansion? If yes, why?
 
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You don't have to worry about the expansion process, it is sufficient to consider the situation in equilibrium - and there, your formula is valid independent of the expansion that happened.
 
mfb said:
You don't have to worry about the expansion process, it is sufficient to consider the situation in equilibrium - and there, your formula is valid independent of the expansion that happened.

What if the two pistons were connected by an ideal spring?
 
utkarshakash said:

Homework Statement


A smooth vertical tube having two different sections is open from both ends equipped with two pistons of different areas figure. Each piston slides within a respective tube section. One mole of ideal gas is enclosed between the pistons tied with a nonstretchable thread. The cross-sectional area of the upper piston is ΔS greater than that of the lower one. The combined mass of the two pistons is equal to m. The outside air pressure is P0. By how many Kelvin’s must the gas between the pistons be heated to shift the pistons through l?


Homework Equations


http://www.luiseduardo.com.br/mechanics/liquids/liquidsproblems_arquivos/image028.jpg


The Attempt at a Solution



Pressure of gas present inside = P0 + mg/ΔS
I have a doubt regarding the pressure of the gas. Will it remain the same throughout the expansion? If yes, why?
That seems like a reasonable concern to have.

What pressure is required for this system to remain at a given level ?
 
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SammyS said:
That seems like a reasonable concern to have.

What pressure is required for this system to remain at a given level ?

Since the process is quasi-static, the pressure inside must remain same at all times. Am I correct?
 
utkarshakash said:
Since the process is quasi-static, the pressure inside must remain same at all times. Am I correct?

I didn't notice the equation:
Pressure of gas present inside = P0 + mg/ΔS​
.

That pretty much says that the pressure is the same after pistons move.
 
utkarshakash said:
What if the two pistons were connected by an ideal spring?
Then you have a completely different problem.
 
The answer is

[itex]ΔT = \left( ΔP + \frac{mg}{ΔS} \right) ΔS l[/itex]
 
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