Find the angle of a triangle and x coordinate

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the angle theta in a triangle given only two sides. Participants explore the implications of having limited information and the conditions under which the angle can be determined, including considerations of triangle properties and relationships between sides and angles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that there is insufficient information to determine angle theta without additional data, such as the length of the third side or one of the angles.
  • One participant suggests that if the base of the triangle is parallel to the x-axis, then angle theta could be related to another angle within the triangle due to parallel line properties.
  • Another participant mentions that knowing two sides and their non-included angle could lead to multiple possible solutions, indicating the need for caution in interpretation.
  • There is a proposal to use the cosine law if the length of the third side is known, but it is emphasized that the angle still depends on this unknown length.
  • A participant introduces the idea that the hypotenuse was determined based on a movement of 2.80 km SW, suggesting that this information could help find other sides.
  • One participant raises the concern that moving the triangle's base left or right while maintaining the given lengths could result in an infinite number of triangles, further complicating the determination of angle theta.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there is not enough information to definitively determine angle theta. Multiple competing views exist regarding the implications of the triangle's properties and the relationships between its sides and angles.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of angles and sides, as well as the unresolved status of the third side's length, which is crucial for applying the cosine law.

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I have this triangle and I know just the two sides indicated there. How can I find angle theta?
I tried decomposing the triangle in two right triangles and using trigonometry find one side, but I can't figure how to do that using just the hypotenuse
 
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duplaimp said:
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I have this triangle and I know just the two sides indicated there. How can I find angle theta?
I tried decomposing the triangle in two right triangles and using trigonometry find one side, but I can't figure how to do that using just the hypotenuse

There isn't enough information there to solve the problem - unless the bottom length of the triangle is parallel to the x-axis as it looks to be?

If so, there's an angle within the triangle which is also equal to [itex]\theta[/itex] given the property that the two lines are parallel.
 
Mentallic said:
There isn't enough information there to solve the problem - unless the bottom length of the triangle is parallel to the x-axis as it looks to be?

If so, there's an angle within the triangle which is also equal to [itex]\theta[/itex] given the property that the two lines are parallel.

Yes, it is parallel. But how can I find that?

And how could I find the unknown side dimension? I would try with [itex]\sqrt{2.80^2 + 7.40^2}[/itex] but it isn't a right triangle
 
There is not enough information to determine the angle theta even if the base of the triangle is parallel to the upper line.

In addition to the lengths of the two sides, you would need to know the length of the third side or one of the angles of the triangle.
 
In general: you need to know three of the six variables (3 sides plus 3 angles) commonly used to describe a triangle.

Moreover:

1. Knowing 3 angles is not enough; at least one of the knowns must be a side length.

2. Sometimes 3 knowns is not enough. Knowing 2 sides and their non-included angle can lead to 2 possible solutions, in some cases.
 
Given that the lower side is parallel to the x-axis, that angle [itex]\theta[/itex] is the same as the angle in the triangle between the side labeled "7.40" and the side that is not labeled. But, as Redbelly98 said, just knowing the lengths of two sides is not sufficient to determine the triangle.

IF we were given the length of the third side, say, "x", then we could use the "cosine law" [itex]2.8^2= 7.4^2+ x^2- 2(7.4)x cos(\theta)[/itex] and solve that for [itex]\theta[/itex]. But without knowing x, the best we could do is say that
[tex]cos(\theta)= \frac{7.4^2+ x^2- 2.8^2}{2(7.4x)}= \frac{x^2- 6.7056}{14.8x}[/tex]
x must be such that the right side is between -1 and 1, but the angle still depends upon x.
 
I forgot to say that the hypotenuse was determined using the information that it moved 2.80km SW.. so SW is 45º and with that is now possible to find all the other sides. But thanks anyway for the help :)
 
Not enough information. You can move the bottom left or right while still maintaining the givens, but have an infinite number of triangles.
 

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