Find the Angular Acceleration with and Without the disk inertia

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The discussion focuses on determining the angular acceleration of a uniform disk under two scenarios: ignoring the disk's rotational inertia and considering it. The participants utilize the equations of motion, specifically ƩM = Iα and ƩF = ma, to analyze the forces and moments acting on the system. Key variables include masses m1 = 1.5 kg and m2 = 3.1 kg, and a radius r = 0.32 m. The solution involves summing moments about point O and recognizing the need for multiple free-body diagrams when accounting for the disk's inertia.

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  • Understanding of rotational dynamics and angular acceleration
  • Familiarity with Newton's second law (ƩF = ma)
  • Knowledge of moment of inertia (IO = 2mr²)
  • Ability to analyze free-body diagrams
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  • Learn how to construct and interpret free-body diagrams in rotational systems
  • Explore the relationship between linear and angular acceleration in rotational motion
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Homework Statement


Determine the angular acceleration of the uniform disk if (a) the rotational inertia of the disk is ignored and (b) the inertia of the disk is considered. The system is released from rest, the cord does not slip on the disk, and bearing friction at O may be neglected. The angular acceleration is positive if counterclockwise, negative if clockwise.

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m1 = 1.5 kg
m2 = 3.1kg
r = 0.32m

I started by summing the moments about O

ƩMO = (-m1gr + m2gr)/IO

IO = 2mr2 but I'm not sure why this is the case. A classmate of mine said something about adding in the inertias from the weight but I'm not sure what this means.

Also, how to I account for the disk inertia?

Any advice would be appreciated.
 

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I started by summing the moments about O
... which confused you.

The force on the disk comes from the tensions acting at opposite points.
The tensions come from the weights. The equation is ƩM = Iα ... which is not the same as:
ƩMO = (-m1gr + m2gr)/IO

Breaking it down:

In the first case you would be better to find the linear acceleration of the weights, and use that to deduce the angular acceleration of the disk.

In the second case, you have three free-body diagrams instead of just two.
You need ƩF=ma as well as ƩM = Iα
 

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