Find the greatest and least values of Volume of cylinder

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The discussion centers around finding the maximum and minimum volume of a cylinder, described by the formula \( V = \pi r^2 h \), with a specific height constraint related to the radius. Participants explore various mathematical approaches to determine these values.

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  • Some participants attempt to find critical points by taking the derivative of the volume function and setting it to zero. Others suggest inspecting the graph of the volume function for insights. There is also mention of the method of Lagrange multipliers as a potential approach for constrained optimization.

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The discussion includes multiple interpretations of how to approach the problem, with some participants questioning whether all critical points have been considered. There is a mix of methods being discussed, including calculus and graphical analysis, but no consensus has been reached on a single approach.

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Participants note the physical constraints of the problem, such as the requirement that the radius must be non-negative and cannot exceed certain limits that would lead to a negative height. There is also a reference to the need for continuous first partial derivatives in the context of Lagrange multipliers.

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Homework Statement
The volume of a cylinder is given by the formula ##V=πr^2h##. Find the greatest and least values of ##V## if ##r+h=6##
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rate of change- differentiation
$$V=πr^2h$$
$$V=πr^2(6-r)$$
$$\frac {dV}{dr}=12πr-3πr^2$$
For max/min value, $$\frac {dV}{dr}=0$$
$$12πr-3πr^2=0$$
$$3πr(4-r)=0$$
##r=0## or ##r=4##
$$⇒V_{max}= 32π$$
$$⇒V_{min}= 0$$,
I do not think there is another way of doing this...
 
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chwala said:
I do not think there is another way of doing this...
You could find or at least approximate the maximum by inspecting the graph of ##V(r) = \pi r^2(6 - r)##. And clearly V(r) = 0 when r = 0. Although there are values of r for which V(r) < 0, since this is a physical cylinder, we wouldn't consider values of r > 6, since those would make the height negative.
 
Fun fact, you missed a value of r which either minimizes or maximizes the volume of the cylinder. What else do you have to check besides where the derivative is zero?
 
chwala said:
I do not think there is another way of doing this...
The method of Lagrange multipliers is how we learned to solve constrained minimization/maximization problems in class.
 
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The goal of the method of Lagrange multipliers is to maximize ##f(x,y)## subject to the constraint ##g(x,y)##. Here ##f## and ##g## are assumed to have continuous first partial derivatives. ##\lambda## is a new variable called the Lagrange multiplier. Our goal is to determine the stationary points of the Lagrangian
$$\mathcal{L} (x,y,\lambda)=f(x,y)-\lambda g(x,y)$$
Let ##f(x,y)=\pi x^2 y## and ##g(x,y)=x+y-6##. The corresponding Lagrangian is
$$\mathcal{L} (x,y,\lambda)=\pi x^2 y-\lambda (x+y-6)$$
Take partial derivatives as you would compute the gradient of any multi variable function and set it equal to ##0## to find the stationary points.
\begin{align}D_x \mathcal{L}=&2\pi xy-\lambda=0\\
D_y \mathcal{L}=&\pi x^2-\lambda=0\\
g(x,y)=& x+y-6=0\end{align}
Then we look for all the solutions to the system of ##3## equations. There are two such solutions as far as I can tell. ##(x,y,\lambda)=(0,6,0)## leads to ##f(0,6)=0## so it is a minimum point. ##(x,y,\lambda)=(4,2,16\pi)## leads to ##f(0,6)=32\pi## so it is a maximum point.

Although this method is tedious, it also works for the case when ##f## is a function of more than two variables and there are more than one constraint equation.
 
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docnet said:
The goal of the method of Lagrange multipliers is to maximize ##f(x,y)## subject to the constraint ##g(x,y)##. Here ##f## and ##g## are assumed to have continuous first partial derivatives. ##\lambda## is a new variable called the Lagrange multiplier. Our goal is to determine the stationary points of the Lagrangian
$$\mathcal{L} (x,y,\lambda)=f(x,y)-\lambda g(x,y)$$
Let ##f(x,y)=\pi x^2 y## and ##g(x,y)=x+y-6##. The corresponding Lagrangian is
$$\mathcal{L} (x,y,\lambda)=\pi x^2 y-\lambda (x+y-6)$$
Take partial derivatives as you would compute the gradient of any multi variable function and set it equal to ##0## to find the stationary points.
\begin{align}D_x \mathcal{L}=&2\pi xy-\lambda=0\\
D_y \mathcal{L}=&\pi x^2-\lambda=0\\
g(x,y)=& x+y-6=0\end{align}
Then we look for all the solutions to the system of ##3## equations. There are two such solutions as far as I can tell. ##(x,y,\lambda)=(0,6,0)## leads to ##f(0,6)=0## so it is a minimum point. ##(x,y,\lambda)=(4,2,16\pi)## leads to ##f(0,6)=32\pi## so it is a maximum point.

Although this method is tedious, it also works for the case when ##f## is a function of more than two variables and there are more than one constraint equation.
Cheers Docnet:cool::cool:...noted.
 
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