Find the height the block rises to after an elastic collision

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The problem involves two blocks sliding along a frictionless track, where one block is released from a height and collides elastically with another block that is initially at rest. The goal is to determine the maximum height the first block reaches after the collision, considering the effects of magnetic repulsion that prevents direct contact.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of energy conservation principles and the implications of elastic collisions. There are questions about the initial conditions, particularly the initial velocity of the first block before the collision. Some participants express confusion about the calculations and the definitions of variables used in the equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's calculations and interpretations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct application of energy conservation, while others have raised concerns about the assumptions made in the problem setup, particularly regarding the interaction between the blocks due to magnetic forces.

Contextual Notes

There are indications that the problem may have flaws related to the mechanics of the magnetic repulsion, which could affect the conservation of momentum. Participants are also noting the importance of clarity in variable definitions and the potential for energy transfer between the blocks during the collision.

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Homework Statement



Two blocks are free to slide along a frictionless wooden track ABC as shown below. The block of mass m1 = 5.09 kg is released from A. Protruding from its front end is the north pole of a strong magnet, repelling the north pole of an identical magnet embedded in the back end of the block of mass m2 = 9.50 kg, initially at rest. The two blocks never touch. Calculate the maximum height to which m1 rises after the elastic collision.

Answer in m

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Homework Equations


We'll use law of energy conservation: KEi+P.Ei=K.Ef+P.E
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Vf=(m1-m2/m1+m2)Vi

The Attempt at a Solution


K.Ei+P.Ei=K.Ef+P.Ef
m1gh=1/2 m1 V1i2[/B]
So we get V1i=9.90 m/s.

Substituting in V1f=(m1-m2/m1+m2)Vi, w get:
V1f=-3.3m/s

1)I want to know if what I did above is correct.

2) My second question is

I'll use the law of energy conservation again so we can find the maximum height:
The second body will acquire velocity so there is kinetic energy after collision:

1/2m1 v12+1/2 m2 V22=m1gh(new height)
Is this one correct?
 
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Neon32 said:
m1gh=1/2 m1 V1i2
Did not get this part.
it is given that ##V_{1i} = 0##.
 
Buffu said:
Did not get this part.
it is given that ##V_{1i} = 0##.

This is velocity of mass 1 right before it collides with body 2.
 
Neon32 said:
Substituting in V1f=(m1-m2/m1+m2)Vi, w get:
V1f=-3.3m/s

1)I want to know if what I did above is correct.
Yes that is correct. (if the calculations are correct).

Neon32 said:
1/2m1 v12+1/2 m2 V22=m1gh(new height)
You did not clarify what v12 and v22 means here so I assume :-
v12 - velocity of m1 after collision.
v22 - velocity of m2 after collision.

You will get the same height this way (because 1/2m1 v12+1/2 m2 V22 = initial energy of the body m1). Which is incorrect since some energy is transferred this way.
You should not consider the kinetic energy of second body in your equation, i.e 1/2 m2 V22 should not come.

Please use subscript and superscript in writing variables, it is hard to understand.
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Buffu said:
Which is incorrect since some energy is transferred this way.
Sorry for this ambiguous statement. I meant to say that some energy is transferred to m2, so height of m1 will be less than initial.
 
The question looks a bit flawed to me. If the magnets are strong enough to prevent collision, m2 will start to move when m1 is still some way short of it. From the diagram, it will still be on the arc. This means momentum will not be conserved, since the normal force has a horizontal component and it will be more than merely enough to support m1.
Glossing over that...
Neon32 said:
Substituting in V1f=(m1-m2/m1+m2)Vi, w get:
Please use parentheses correctly. That cannot be what you mean.
Neon32 said:
V1f=-3.3m/s
Please check that. I make it a bit less.
 
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Homework Equations



Vf=(m1-m2/m1+m2)Vi

If you know that equation, can see you a good way to solve the problem without calculating any velocities?
 
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