What Is the Maximum Height Achieved by Mass M1 After Elastic Collision?

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The problem involves two spheres of mass M1 and M2 that are released from rest and allowed to fall a distance of 5.0 m before colliding elastically with each other and the ground. The goal is to determine the maximum height achieved by mass M1 after the collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the velocities of the masses before and after the collision, with one participant attempting to use the collision formula to find the velocity of M1. Others suggest using conservation of potential energy and question the definitions of variables involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and the physics involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of potential energy conservation, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the need to define the diameters of the spheres, and assumptions about treating the spheres as point masses are discussed. The original poster's calculations are noted as incorrect, but the reasons for this are not resolved.

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Two spheres of mass M1 and M2 are arranged one above the other as shown. They are separated by a fraction of a mm. They are released from rest and allowed to fall to the ground, a distance h = 5.0 m below. Mass M2 collides elastically with the ground and then elastically with mass M1. Calculate the maximum height the center of M1 rises above the ground after the collision. D = 0.20 cm, d = 0.05 cm, M1 = 0.20 kg, M2 = 1.10 kg.

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so I got the velocity by using vf^2 = 2ad and got 9.89m/s.

I use the collision formula:

(9.89)(1.1)=(.2)(v)

v= 54.337 - 9.89
=44.557 m/s for the smaller ball.

then 0=44.557^2+2ad

d=101.29 + 5 m = 106m.

Its incorrect.[/B]
 
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It's a bit tricky, so I'd prefer to know the textbook's answer before I venture to offer guidance. ☺

But I think the interaction is between M1 coming down at some speed and colliding with M2 traveling upwards. I think that's what the authors must be intending, anyway.
 
Use potential energy conservation.
(I assume M1 originally sits on top of M2. You should also define d and D though I imagine they are the diameters of M1 and M2 respectively).
 
I assume that the balls are so small compared to the distance dropped that we can effectively treat them as point masses.
mshiddensecret said:
I use the collision formula:
(9.89)(1.1)=(.2)(v)
What formula is that, exactly? What does it apply to? What are the velocities of the two balls immediately before they collide?
 

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