Find the initial separation between the particles

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The problem involves two charged particles with different masses and the need to determine their initial separation after being released from rest. The context includes concepts from electrostatics and kinematics.

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  • Participants discuss the application of energy conservation principles, questioning whether to include kinetic energy terms for both particles. There is exploration of the relationship between mass, force, and acceleration, particularly in the context of their motion after release.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the correct formulation of the energy conservation equation and the implications of differing masses on the velocities of the particles. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of kinetic energy for both particles.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the correct application of physical principles, including the need to account for both particles' masses and their resulting velocities. The original poster expresses confusion about their calculations, indicating a lack of clarity in the problem setup.

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One particle has a mass of 3.00 10-3 kg and a charge of +7.80 µC. A second particle has a mass of 6.00 10-3 kg and the same charge. The two particles are initially held in place and then released. The particles fly apart, and when the separation between them is 0.100 m, the speed of the 3.00 10-3 kg particle is 130 m/s. Find the initial separation between the particles.

Kq^2/r = Kq^2/d + 1/2mV^2

I keep getting r = .177 but it is not correct :-(
 
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nckaytee said:
One particle has a mass of 3.00 10-3 kg and a charge of +7.80 µC. A second particle has a mass of 6.00 10-3 kg and the same charge. The two particles are initially held in place and then released. The particles fly apart, and when the separation between them is 0.100 m, the speed of the 3.00 10-3 kg particle is 130 m/s. Find the initial separation between the particles.

Kq^2/r = Kq^2/d + 1/2mV^2

I keep getting r = .177 but it is not correct :-(

But both particles are free to move, and they both get accelerated in opposite directions by the same repulsive force no?
 
Would I not include the " + 1/2mV^2 " then?
 
nckaytee said:
Would I not include the " + 1/2mV^2 " then?

But doesn't that include the MV2/2 for both particles?
 
so don't multiply it by 1/2?
 
nckaytee said:
so don't multiply it by 1/2?

Not quite.

You need to treat the particles according to their mass. They have different mass no?
 
Kq^2/r = Kq^2/d + 1/2m1V^2 + 1/2m2V^2 ?
 
nckaytee said:
Kq^2/r = Kq^2/d + 1/2m1V^2 + 1/2m2V^2 ?

I think so.

Now think in terms of F=ma to determine what the speeds would be. If the m is doubled then what is the acceleration for the same force on the doubled mass? If the Velocity over the same time is 130 on the smaller mass then what would the V of the more massive particle be?
 
So, the V would be halved! Thank you so much, Again! :-)
 
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nckaytee said:
So, the V would be halved! Thank you so much, Again! :-)

No problem.

Cheers.
 

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