Find the Radius and Center of a Circle

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the radius and center of a circle given its equation in the standard (x,y) coordinate plane. Participants explore the interpretation of the equation and the relationship between the standard form of a circle and the provided equation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants state that the general equation of a circle is $$(x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2 = r^2$$, identifying the radius and center from the given equation.
  • Others question why the number 38 is treated as a square root in the context of the equation, suggesting it should be squared instead.
  • A participant clarifies that the square root is necessary because the right-hand side of the equation represents the radius squared, not the radius itself.
  • Another participant elaborates on the implications of the equation, explaining that the radius must be a positive value derived from the square root of 38.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the standard form of the circle equation and how it relates to the original equation provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of the circle's equation and the identification of the radius and center. However, there is some contention regarding the treatment of the number 38 in the context of the equation, with differing views on whether it should be squared or taken as a square root.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion regarding the mathematical steps involved in transforming the equation into the standard form, particularly concerning the treatment of the right-hand side of the equation.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals seeking to understand the relationship between the standard form of a circle and its equation, as well as those grappling with the interpretation of mathematical expressions in geometry.

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Can someone show me how to resolve this question?

A particular circle in the standard (x,y) coordinate
plane has an equation of (x − 5)2 + y2 = 38. What are
the radius of the circle, in coordinate units, and the
coordinates of the center of the circle?
radius center
F. √38 ( 5,0)
G. 19 ( 5,0)
H. 38 ( 5,0)
J. √38 (−5,0)
K. 19 (−5,0)The answer is F
 
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squexy said:
Can someone show me how to resolve this question?

A particular circle in the standard (x,y) coordinate
plane has an equation of $(x − 5)^2 + y^2 = 38$. What are
the radius of the circle, in coordinate units, and the
coordinates of the center of the circle?
radius center
F. √38 ( 5,0)
G. 19 ( 5,0)
H. 38 ( 5,0)
J. √38 (−5,0)
K. 19 (−5,0)The answer is F

Hi squexy! Welcome to MHB! :)

The general equation of a circle is:
$$(x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2 = r^2$$
where $r$ is the radius and $(a,b)$ is the center.

Your equation can be written as:
$$(x − 5)^2 + (y-0)^2 = (\sqrt{38})^2$$

This shows that the radius is $\sqrt{38}$ and the center is $(5,0)$.
 
I like Serena said:
Hi squexy! Welcome to MHB! :)

The general equation of a circle is:
$$(x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2 = r^2$$
where $r$ is the radius and $(a,b)$ is the center.

Your equation can be written as:
$$(x − 5)^2 + (y-0)^2 = (\sqrt{38})^2$$

This shows that the radius is $\sqrt{38}$ and the center is $(5,0)$.
Thank you for the answer.

Why is 38 in square root?
(x−5)2+(y−0)2= (√38 )²

Since the equation given is (x−5)2+y2=38. shouldn't the equation transferred to the circle formula be written as:

(x−5)2+(y−0)2= (38 )²
 
squexy said:
Thank you for the answer.

Why is 38 in square root?
(x−5)2+(y−0)2= (√38 )²

Since the equation given is (x−5)2+y2=38. shouldn't the equation transferred to the circle formula be written as:

(x−5)2+(y−0)2= (38 )²

Well, $(38)^2 = 38 \cdot 38 = 1444$. This does not match the $38$ in the original equation.

What we need is a number for $r$ that when squared gives us $38$. This is what the square root is. It means that $(\sqrt 38)^2 = \sqrt 38 \cdot \sqrt 38 = 38$, which is what is required.
 
Look again at post #2.

The form we should have:

$(x - a)^2 + (y - b)^2 = r^2$

What we do have:

$(x - 5)^2 + y^2 = 38$.

It's clear from this that the "$x$" part is already what we need, so $a = 5$.

The "$y$" part is a bit trickier, we solve:

$(y - b)^2 = y^2$

$y^2 - 2by + b^2 = y^2$.

$b(b - 2y) = 0$. <---this has to be true for ALL $y$, and not just when $y = \dfrac{b}{2}$ ($b$ is a constant).

We conclude that $b = 0$.

The only thing left to do is solve:

$r^2 = 38$.

This happens when $r = \pm \sqrt{38}$.

Since a radius is always positive, we take the positive square root for $r$.

The number on the RHS of the standard circle equation is the radius SQUARED, not the radius. For example, a circle of radius 3, centered at the origin has equation:

$x^2 + y^2 = 9$ <---note we have 9, not 3.

$(9,0)$ does not lie on this circle, since:

$9^2 + 0^2 = 81 \neq 9$.

$(3,0)$ DOES lie on this circle, since:

$3^2 + 0^2 = 9$.
 
I like Serena said:
Well, $(38)^2 = 38 \cdot 38 = 1444$. This does not match the $38$ in the original equation.

What we need is a number for $r$ that when squared gives us $38$. This is what the square root is. It means that $(\sqrt 38)^2 = \sqrt 38 \cdot \sqrt 38 = 38$, which is what is required.
Thanks ^.^
 

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