Find the Solution to $a^2-b^2$ with $a+bi$ a Root of $z(z+i)(z+3i)=2002i$

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The discussion revolves around finding the value of $a^2 - b^2$ where $a + bi$ is a root of the equation $z(z+i)(z+3i) = 2002i$. Participants explore the implications of the roots and the conditions that $a$ and $b$ must satisfy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that $a + bi$ is a root of the equation and seeks to find $a^2 - b^2$.
  • Another participant provides a factorization of the polynomial and identifies one root as $z = -14i$, noting that this does not satisfy the condition $b > 0$.
  • It is proposed that the other roots of the equation $z^2 - 10iz - 143 = 0$ yield $z = 5i \pm \sqrt{118}$, leading to the conclusion that $a = \sqrt{118}$ and $b = 5$, resulting in $a^2 - b^2 = 93$.
  • A later reply introduces a substitution $z = iw$, transforming the original equation into a form with real coefficients, which simplifies the search for solutions.
  • This participant identifies $w = -14$ as a solution through factorization of $2002$, but does not clarify how this relates to the conditions on $a$ and $b$.

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There is no consensus on the final value of $a^2 - b^2$ as participants explore different approaches and solutions. Some participants agree on the method of finding roots, while others introduce alternative substitutions and factorizations that lead to different perspectives.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the roots and their properties, particularly the requirement that $b > 0$. The implications of the transformations and substitutions used by participants are not fully resolved.

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$a+bi$ is a root of :$z(z+i)(z+3i)=2002i$
here :$a,b>0$ and $i=\sqrt {-1}$
please find :$a^2-b^2=?$
 
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Albert said:
$a+bi$ is a root of :$z(z+i)(z+3i)=2002i$
here :$a,b>0$ and $i=\sqrt {-1}$
please find :$a^2-b^2=?$
[sp]$$0 = z(z+i)(z+3i) - 2002i = z^3 + 4iz^2 - 3z - 2002i = (z+14i)(z^2 - 10iz - 143).$$ One solution is $z = a+bi = -14i.$ But in that case, $b = -14 <0$ and we want a solution with $b>0$. So we must look for one of the solutions of $z^2 - 10iz - 143 = 0.$ These are $z = 5i \pm\sqrt{118}$, and the required solution is $z = \sqrt{118} + 5i$. So $a = \sqrt{118}$, $b = 5$, and $a^2-b^2 = 118 - 25 = 93.$[/sp]
 
Opalg said:
[sp]$$0 = z(z+i)(z+3i) - 2002i = z^3 + 4iz^2 - 3z - 2002i = (z+14i)(z^2 - 10iz - 143).$$ One solution is $z = a+bi = -14i.$ But in that case, $b = -14 <0$ and we want a solution with $b>0$. So we must look for one of the solutions of $z^2 - 10iz - 143 = 0.$ These are $z = 5i \pm\sqrt{118}$, and the required solution is $z = \sqrt{118} + 5i$. So $a = \sqrt{118}$, $b = 5$, and $a^2-b^2 = 118 - 25 = 93.$[/sp]
very good slution !
 
As an addendum, an efficient way to notice the $z = -14i$ root is to notice that $2002 = 11 \cdot 13 \cdot 14$.
 
Bacterius said:
As an addendum, an efficient way to notice the $z = -14i$ root is to notice that $2002 = 11 \cdot 13 \cdot 14$.
[sp]What I actually did was to notice that if you put $z=iw$ then the equation $z(z+i)(z+3i) - 2002i = 0$ becomes $w(w+1)(w+3) + 2002 = 0$, with all the coefficients real. You can then easily find the solution $w = -14$ by factorising $2002 = 11 \cdot 13 \cdot 14$.[/sp]
 

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